Ok, the cat is out of the bag --> https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/1.0-rc13 I'm officialy announcing the update and uploaded binaries to deken for mac (intel/arm), Win and Linux. It all looks ok but tell me if you see something funny please. There's also a raspberry pi binary but not working 100%yet and we'll still look into that. Hopefully someone could help me/us with it. I might make another upload just for the pi later on if/when we figure it out. Find release notes and changelog below.

RELEASE NOTES:

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It's been a little bit over 7 months since the last update and I almost broke the record for taking too long to release an update (which had happened in my previous update). So yeah, there's just too much to talk about! I guess the delays in releasing updates is because it's been a little tricky and hard to sync the release cycles of ELSE with PlugData, which includes ELSE in its download.

Plugdata 0.9.2 should come out soon with ELSE RC13 and it's supposedly the last update before 1.0.0, so I've heard. And the plans was to get to that still in 2025! This means ELSE could be at its last "Release Candidate" phase as I'm aiming to sync the final release with PlugData. Until then, I'll still make breaking changes and I can't wait until I can't do that anymore as I really feel bad. On the other hand, it's kind of inevitable when I'm always adding new stuff and redesigning and reconfiguring objects to include more functionalities. And I always got a lot of new stuff! So I'm thinking that I will eventually try some mechanism like Pd's compatibility flag or something. I'll try to come up with something like that in the next update.

This update has 22 new objects for a total of 573 and 26 new examples in my tutorial for a total of 554 examples. Let's dive into the highlights (see full changelog below after the release notes).

• Multichannel Support: Last release had 92 MC aware objects, now it's 139! Over a 50% increase that include old and new objects (all the new ones have been coming with MC support). Virtually all oscillators and envelope generators now have MC support, plus some other random ones. Let me highlight the new [lace~]/[delace~] objects that are 'MC' tools that perform interleave/deinterleave in Multichannel connections. My bare minimum number of objects "to start with" would be at least a bit over half the number of signal objects. That was my target for 1.0! ELSE right now has 319 signal objects, so that'd be at least 160. I will definitely pass this milestone in the next update. I guess a good number of MC objects would be around 75% of the signal objects. I will aim for that as soon as I can. Some objects simply can't be MC at all, so 100% will never be the case, but maybe an ideal 90% eventually? We'll see... I am just proud and happy that ELSE is taking such a big jump on MC awareness in less than a couple years.

• Envelope generators ([adsr~]/[asr~]/[envgen~]/[function~]) now have more curve options. For [adsr~]/[asr~] the default is now a new log curve that you can set the curve parameter (and was 'stolen' from SuperCollider). A new [smooth~] family of objects perform the same kind of curved smoothening for alternating inputs - [envgen~] and [function~] also have that but also '1-pole' filtering, 'sine' and 'hann' curves. You can now trigger [adsr~] and [asr~] with impulses.

• The [play.file~] object now supports even more file formats besides MP3 and stuff. Hey, you can even stream the supported formats from weblinks! The [sfload] object (which loads files into arrays) also gained support for more formats and can download from weblinks as well! It also has a new threaded mode, so loading big files won't choke Pd. It now also outputs the file information, which is a way to tell you when loading finished in threaded mode. The [sample~], [player~], [gran.player~] and [pvoc.player~] objects are now also based on [sfload], so they support all these file formats!!! Now [sample~] and [tabplayer~] are integrated in a way that [tabplayer~] is always aware of the sample rate of the file loaded in [sample~] (so it reads in the "correct speed"). A new [sfinfo] object is able to extract looping regions and instrument metadata information from AIFF files (which is something I wanted for ages) - it should do more stuff in the future.

• [knob] has become the ultimate featured bloated creep GUI I always feared and avoided. MAX is envy! but I'm happy with this structure and I want to replicate in other GUIs in the future (yeah, I got plans to offer alternatives to all iemguis). I wanna highlight a new 'param' symbol I added that allows you to remotely set a particular method in an object, so you don't to connect to a "method $1" message and you can even do this wirelessly with a send symbol. [knob] now also acts like a number box, where you can type in the value, which may also be displayed in different ways or the value can be sent elsewhere via another send symbol so you can temper with it using [makefilename] or [else/format]. I've been using this for the MERDA modules and it's really cool.

• We finally have a [popmenu] GUI object! This was in my to do list forever and was crucial to improve the MERDA modules to set waveforms, instruments and whatnot.

• Let's about MERDA, the "Modular Euroracks Dancing Along" subset of abstractions in ELSE. It was first released in the last update and it's been driving lots of the development in ELSE as you can see. I now added a MIDI Learn feature for all knobs that feels great and quite handy! There are many fixes and improvements in general and some new modules. I wanna highlight the new [sfont.m~] module, which loads "sound font" banks and you can just click on a [popmenu] to choose the instrument you want. The default bank has numerous (hundreds) options and also comes with PlugData. The sequencer module [seq8.m~] was rather worthless but it's now a whole new cool thingie. It allows you to set pitches with symbols and even has quarter tone resolution. I added a right outlet to send impulses to trigger envelopes and stuff (there's still more stuff of course, see full changelog below).

• There are newly designed/renamed/recreated [resonbank~]/[resonbank2~] objects that are well suited for Modal Synthesis.

• What actually drives my development is my Live Electronics tutorial, which got a fair upgrade with a new chapter on Modal Synthesis amongst other things, such as new subtractive synthesis examples and a revision of envelope generators with examples on AHDSR and DAHDSR - by the way, there are new gaterelease~/gatedelay~ objects for handling envelopes (and other processes).

• I have to thank some people. Tim added 'zoom' to the [pic] object, as well as an image offset. Tim also implemented a new and better technique for bandlimited oscillators. Ben Wesh gave me a new [scope3d~] GUI object, pretty cool, that plots an oscilloscope in 3 dimensions, which is coded in LUA - and ELSE has been carrying a modified version of [pdlua] because it now depends on it for a couple of GUIs. Tim and Ben made many improvements to [pdlua] (as well as Albert Graef, of course).

• For more new objects, let me also tell you about the simple and cool [float2imp~], that is based on [vline~] and can convert floats to impulses with sample accuracy (don't know why I didn't think of that earlier). A new [tanh~] object has Multichannel support. A bit earlier I made an update to Cyclone that actually "borrows" and includes this one from ELSE instead of its original one (which does not have Multichannel support). PlugData users will load the one from ELSE. This is another tiny step that sort of integrates ELSE and Cyclone, specially for PlugData users.

happy patching.

CHANGELOG:

LIBRARY:

Breaking changes:

• [adsr~]/[asr~]: now a gate off before reaching the sustain point does not start the release right away (this allows you to trigger it with impulses). There's a new mode just for immediate release. There's a new exponential setting for curve factors, the old 'log' mode is renamed to 'lag' as it's the same as used in the [lag~] object. For [adsr~], a bang now is not "retrigger", but an impulse at control rate, there's a new 'retrigger' message for control rate retriggering (and now it only retriggers if the gate is on). For [asr~] a bang now also works like an impulse.
• [sample~]: no more 'load' message, args to 'open' message changed, size is now only in 'ms'.
• [format]: outputs are now always symbols, before you could get float outputs. Also, we just have a simplified symbol output, no more lists or anythings. Hopefully I'll be able to get the 'list' output back, but it involved some bugs that I couldn't fix so I just removed it. You cannot use bangs and lists in secondary inlets no more (this is cylone/max crappy paradigm we don't want here). Bang method was actually removed as well.
• [pack2]: no more support for anythings, also no more support for lists in secondary inlets and output has a list selector (I wanna make this more Pd like and not a silly clone from MAX's [pak], cause fuck MAX).
• [merge]/[unmerge]/[group]: no more '-trim' flag (again, respecting pd's usual list paradigm), in [merge] now there's no more 'hot' argument and a bang now represents an empty list and inlets initialized with empty lists
• [mono]: 1st argument is now 'glide' in ms.
• [sfont~] now uses 'mma' for bank selection (this alters how CC messages set the bank number).
• [player~]/[play.file~]: 'open' message does not play files right away anymore.
• [tabplayer~]/[player~]: play message without args now play at the default settings (whole file at regular speed).
• [envgen~]: removed the 'maxsustain' parameter, use the new [gaterelease~] or [gaterelease] objects instead. Removed the rightmost inlet just to set envelopes, now a list input only sets the envelope and doesn't trigger it. The 'set' message is then removed.
• [envgen~]/[function~]: simplified and got rid of '-exp' flag and message, also deleted 'expl' and 'expi' messages. A new 'curve' and cimpler message sets exponential factors for all or individual segments, and includes more curve formats.
• [knob]: 'esc' key now deactivates the object. The 'ticks' message is renamed to 'steps' and there is a new 'ticks' message that toggles showing ticks on and off. The 'start' message has been renamed to 'arcstart'. The 'outline' message has been renamed to 'square' for better clarity. Design changed a bit to make it like it is in PlugData (they won), so we now fill the whole background color when in 'square mode' and the knob circle has an 85% proportion in this case inside the full 100% square size (so it grows bigger when not in 'square' mode). Now, by default, the GUI is in a new 'loadbang' mode (I don't think this will influence old patches). I'm afraid some old patches might behave really weird since I added a lot of new stuff. I changed the 'load' message behaviour to not update the object (this can arguably be considered a bug fix).
• [wavetable~], [bl.wavetable~] and [wt2d~]: 'set' message now sets frequencies because of the MC support in [wt~] and [wt2d~], while there's a new 'table' method to set the table name.
• [gbman~]/[cusp~] list method is now for MC, old list method is now renamed back to an old 'coeffs' method.
• [f2s~]/[float2sig~] default value is now 10 ms.
• [op] now behaves like [*~] where the smaller list wraps til reaching the size of the longer one.
• [list.seq] does not loop anymore by default.
• [impseq~] list input removed, use the new [float2imp~] object to convert floats to impulses.
• [resonant~] now has 'q' as the default.
• [resonant2~] has been removed.
• [decay2~] has also been removed ([asr~] much better).
• [vcf2~] has been renamed to [resonator2~].
• [resonbank~]/[resonbank2~] have basically been deleted and replaced by new objects with the same name... [resonator~] is based on a new [resonator~] object which is similar to [resonant~] and [resonbank2~] is now based on [resonator2~] (old [vcf2~] instead of [resonant2~] that got deleted). These are well suited objects for Modal Synthesis.
• [oscbank~] now uses a 'partial' list and not a frequency list. The freq input now defaults to '1' and this makes [oscbank2~] completely obsolete.
• [oscbank2~] has been deleted since it became completely obsolete.
• [sfload] load message changed the behaviour a bit.

Enhancements/fixes/other changes:

• [adsr~]: We have now a new mode for immediate release (see breaking changes above, I'm not repeating it). Fixed ADSR signal inputs (it was simply not really working, specially for linear). Fixed status output for MC signals. There's a new curve parameter that allows you to set the curvature.
• [asr~] I actually just made the new [adsr~] code into a new [asr~] code as a simplified version (as it was before)... so it's got the same impromevents/fixes.
• [play.file~]: added support for more file formats and even weblinks for online streaming!
• [sfload]: added an outlet to output information, added threaded mode, added support for more file formats and even weblinks for downloading.
• [sample~], [player~], [gran.player~] and [pvoc.player~] are now also based on [sfload], so they support more file formats!
• [sample~]: improved extension management with [file splitext].
• [sample~] and [tabplayer~] now are automatically integrated in a way that [tabplayer~] is always aware of the sample rate of the file loaded in [sample~], so it automatically adjusts the reading speed if it is different than the one Pd is running with.
• [numbox~]'s number display is not preceded by "~" anymore (that was just kinda stupid to have).
• [format]: fixed issues where empty symbols and symbols with escaped spaces didn't work. Added support '%a' and '%A' type. Added support for an escaped 'space' flag. Improved and added support for length modifiers. Improved syntax check which prevents a crash. Improved documentation.
• [knob]: added new 'param', 'var', 'savestate', 'read only', 'loadbang', "active", "reset" and 'ticks' methods. Added the possibility to type in number values and also modes on how to display these number values, plus new send symbols for 'activity', 'typing', 'tab' and 'enter'. New design more like plugdata. Changed some shortcuts to make it simpler. If you have the yet unreleased Pd 0.56-0 you can also use 'double clicking' in the same way that works in PlugData. Properties were also significantly improved (I'm finally starting to learn how to deal with this tcl/tk thingie). Yup, a lot of shit here...
• [autofade2~]/[autofade2.mc~]: fixed immediate jump up for 0 ramp up.
• [synth~]: fixed polyphony bug.
• [metronome~]: fixed bug with 'set' message.
• [midi2note]: fixed range (octaves 0-8).
• [pulsecount~]: fixed reset count to not output immediately, added bang to reset counter at control rate
• [click]: fixed regression bug where it stopped working.
• [else]: new 'dir' method to output ELSE's binary directory in a new rightmost outlet. The print information also includes the directory.
• [pic]: added zoom capability finally (thanks to tim schoen) and added offset message (also thanks to tim).
• [store]: added 'sort' functionality.
• [scales]: fixed octave number argument. Added functionality to allow octave number as part of the note symbol.
• [mono]: added 'glide' parameter, as in [mono~].
• [pluck~]: fixed list input.
• [rescale]/[rescale~]: added a "reverse log" mode.
• [limit]: added a new second ignore mode.
• [graph~]: added an external source input for plotting the graph and a 'clear' message.
• [canvas.setname]: added a new argument for "abstraction mode" and methods to set name, depth (and mode).
• [midi.learn]: added a new argument for "abstraction mode", fixed 'dirty' message sent to parent.
• [brickwall~]: fixed initialization.
• [list.seq]: added a loop mode and a 2nd outlet to send a bang when the sequence is done.
• [delete]: fixed index for positive numbers.
• [dust~]: added 'list', 'set' and '-mc' flag for managing the already existing Multichannel capabilities.
• Thanks to Tim we have many fixes and a whole new technique for band limited oscillators. Now [bl.saw~], [bl.saw2~], [bl.vsaw~], [bl.square~], [bl.tri~], [bl.imp~] and [bl.imp2~] have been redesigned to implement elliptic blep, which should provide better anti-aliasing.
• [parabolic~] now uses and internal wavetable for more efficiency.
• [resonant~]: added 'bw' resonance mode.
• [lowpass~]/[highpass~]: added 't60' resonance mode.
• [quantizer~]/[quantizer]: added a new mode, which combines floor (for negative) and ceil (for positive) values.
• [crusher~]: now uses the new [quantizer~] mode from above (arguably a breaking change).
• [envgen~]: fixed a bug (actually a misconception) where ramps started one sample earlier. Fixed 0-length lines. Added a possibility to set time in samples instead of ms. Maximum number of lines is now 1024. Added loop mode. Added many curve options (sin/hann/log curve/lag).
• [function~]: Added many curve options (sin/hann/log curve/lag).
• [The out~] family of abstractions now use [bitnormal~] so you won't blow your speakers beyond repair in edge cases.
• [trig.delay~]/[trig.delay2~]: fixed bug where impulse values different than '1' didn't work.
• Added MC support to: [trig.delay~], [trig.delay2~], [gatehold~], [vca.m~], [gain2~], [decay~], [asr~], [envgen~], [function~], [bl.osc~], [bl.saw~], [bl.saw2~], [bl.vsaw~], [bl.square~], [bl.tri~], [bl.imp~], [bl.imp2~], [imp2~], [tri~], [saw~], [saw2~], [vsaw~], [square~], [pulse~], [parabolic~], [gaussian~], [wavetable~], [wt2d~], [randpulse~], [randpulse2~], [stepnoise~], [rampnoise~] [pink~], [gbamn~], [cusp~], [gray~] and [white~].
• Also added MIDI input and soft sync to [imp2~], [tri~], [saw~], [saw2~], [vsaw~], [square~], [pulse~], [gaussian~] and [parabolic~].
• [wavetable~] and [wt2d~] gained args to set xfading.
• Updated pdlua to 0.12.23.
• M.E.R.D.A: Added MIDI-LEARN for all modules (this is only for the knobs). Replaced some number boxes that were attached to knobs by an internal number display mechanism (new feature from knob). Improved interface of [gendyn.m~]. Preset/symbol name fixes to [flanger.m~]. Now we have automatic MIDI mode detection for [plaits.m~] and [pluck.m~] when no signals are connected (still trying to get plaits right, huh? Yup! And bow MIDI input with monophony and trigger mode has been fixed in [plaits.m~]). Added MC support to [vca.m~]. Increased range of [drive.m~] down to 0.1. Changed some objects to include the new [popmenu] GUI. [vco.m~] now uses the new MC functionalities of oscillators and doesn't need to load abstractions into [clone], I hope it makes this more efficient and clean. The [seq8.m~] module was worthless and got a decent upgrade, it's practically a new module. Added new modules (see below). Note that MERDA is still at alpha development phase, much experimental. Expect changes as it evolves.
• 22 new objects: [float2imp~], [lace], [delace], [lace~], [delace~], [gatehold], [gatedelay],[gatedelay~], [gaterelease~], [gaterelease], [popmenu], [scope3d~], [tanh~], [resonator~], [sfinfo], [smooth], [smooth2], [smooth~], [smooth2~], [dbgain~], [level~] plus [crusher.m~], [sfont.m~] and [level.m~] MERDA Modules.

Objects count: total of 573 (319 signal objects [139 of which are MC aware] and 254 control objects)!

• 323 coded objects (210 signal objects / 113 control objects)
• 227 abstractions objects (87 signal objects / 140 control objects)
• 23 MERDA modular abstractions (22 audio / 1 control)

TUTORIAL:

• New examples and revisions to add the new objects, features and breaking changes in ELSE.
• Added the MERDA modules into the examples for reference.
• Revised section on envelopes.
• New subtractive synthesis examples.
• New chapter on Modal Synthesis.
• Total number of examples is now 554! (26 new ones)

thank you, @timothyschoen ! unfortnately this did not work.
after commenting out the parts from your post i still got an error related to [pdlink~]

[ 25%] Built target parabolic_tilde
[ 25%] Building C object CMakeFiles/pdlink_tilde.dir/Source/Audio/pdlink~.c.o
In file included from /home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Audio/pdlink~.c:9:
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Shared/opus_compression.h:1:10: fatal error: opus.h: No such file or directory
    1 | #include <opus.h>
      |          ^~~~~~~~
compilation terminated.
make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/pdlink_tilde.dir/build.make:76: CMakeFiles/pdlink_tilde.dir/Source/Audio/pdlink~.c.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:3596: CMakeFiles/pdlink_tilde.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [Makefile:156: all] Error 2

I tried to just move the pdlink~.c file out of the source folder but then got errors for [pdlink]

[ 59%] Built target panic
[ 59%] Building C object CMakeFiles/pdlink.dir/Source/Control/pdlink.c.o
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:20:5: error: unknown type name ‘t_link_handle’
   20 |     t_link_handle x_link;
      |     ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c: In function ‘pdlink_anything’:
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:45:5: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_send’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
   45 |     link_send(x->x_link, (size_t)len, buf);
      |     ^~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c: In function ‘pdlink_receive_loop’:
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:79:9: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_discover’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
   79 |         link_discover(x->x_link);
      |         ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:81:25: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_get_num_peers’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
   81 |         int num_peers = link_get_num_peers(x->x_link);
      |                         ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:84:13: error: unknown type name ‘t_link_discovery_data’
   84 |             t_link_discovery_data data = link_get_discovered_peer_data(x->x_link, i);
      |             ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:84:42: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_get_discovered_peer_data’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
   84 |             t_link_discovery_data data = link_get_discovered_peer_data(x->x_link, i);
      |                                          ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:85:27: error: request for member ‘sndrcv’ in something not a structure or union
   85 |             if(strcmp(data.sndrcv, x->x_name->s_name) == 0) {
      |                           ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:87:45: error: request for member ‘ip’ in something not a structure or union
   87 |                 if(x->x_local && strcmp(data.ip, "127.0.0.1") != 0) continue;
      |                                             ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:88:46: error: request for member ‘ip’ in something not a structure or union
   88 |                 if(!x->x_local && strcmp(data.ip, "127.0.0.1") == 0) continue;
      |                                              ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:90:31: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_connect’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
   90 |                 int created = link_connect(x->x_link, data.port, data.ip);
      |                               ^~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:90:59: error: request for member ‘port’ in something not a structure or union
   90 |                 int created = link_connect(x->x_link, data.port, data.ip);
      |                                                           ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:90:70: error: request for member ‘ip’ in something not a structure or union
   90 |                 int created = link_connect(x->x_link, data.port, data.ip);
      |                                                                      ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:93:71: error: request for member ‘hostname’ in something not a structure or union
   93 |                    post("[pdlink]: connected to:\n%s\n%s:%i\n%s", data.hostname, data.ip, data.port, data.platform);
      |                                                                       ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:93:86: error: request for member ‘ip’ in something not a structure or union
   93 |                    post("[pdlink]: connected to:\n%s\n%s:%i\n%s", data.hostname, data.ip, data.port, data.platform);
      |                                                                                      ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:93:95: error: request for member ‘port’ in something not a structure or union
   93 |                    post("[pdlink]: connected to:\n%s\n%s:%i\n%s", data.hostname, data.ip, data.port, data.platform);
      |                                                                                               ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:93:106: error: request for member ‘platform’ in something not a structure or union
   93 |                    post("[pdlink]: connected to:\n%s\n%s:%i\n%s", data.hostname, data.ip, data.port, data.platform);
      |                                                                                                          ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:96:20: error: request for member ‘hostname’ in something not a structure or union
   96 |             if(data.hostname) free(data.hostname);
      |                    ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:96:40: error: request for member ‘hostname’ in something not a structure or union
   96 |             if(data.hostname) free(data.hostname);
      |                                        ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:97:20: error: request for member ‘sndrcv’ in something not a structure or union
   97 |             if(data.sndrcv) free(data.sndrcv);
      |                    ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:97:38: error: request for member ‘sndrcv’ in something not a structure or union
   97 |             if(data.sndrcv) free(data.sndrcv);
      |                                      ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:98:20: error: request for member ‘platform’ in something not a structure or union
   98 |             if(data.platform) free(data.platform);
      |                    ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:98:40: error: request for member ‘platform’ in something not a structure or union
   98 |             if(data.platform) free(data.platform);
      |                                        ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:99:20: error: request for member ‘ip’ in something not a structure or union
   99 |             if(data.ip) free(data.ip);
      |                    ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:99:34: error: request for member ‘ip’ in something not a structure or union
   99 |             if(data.ip) free(data.ip);
      |                                  ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:103:9: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_ping’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  103 |         link_ping(x->x_link, x, pdlink_connection_lost);
      |         ^~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:106:5: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_receive’; did you mean ‘pdlink_receive’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  106 |     link_receive(x->x_link, x, pdlink_receive);
      |     ^~~~~~~~~~~~
      |     pdlink_receive
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c: In function ‘pdlink_free’:
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:113:19: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_free’; did you mean ‘pdlink_free’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  113 |     if(x->x_link) link_free(x->x_link);
      |                   ^~~~~~~~~
      |                   pdlink_free
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c: In function ‘pdlink_set’:
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:151:17: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_init’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  151 |     x->x_link = link_init(x->x_name->s_name, pd_platform, x->x_local, 7680412);
      |                 ^~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:155:19: warning: assignment to ‘int’ from ‘void *’ makes integer from pointer without a cast [-Wint-conversion]
  155 |         x->x_link = NULL; // TODO: handle this state!
      |                   ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c: In function ‘pdlink_new’:
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:163:15: warning: assignment to ‘int’ from ‘void *’ makes integer from pointer without a cast [-Wint-conversion]
  163 |     x->x_link = NULL;
      |               ^
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:200:42: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_get_own_ip’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  200 |         post("[pdlink]: own IP:\n%s:%i", link_get_own_ip(x->x_link), link_get_own_port(x->x_link));
      |                                          ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/home/gregor/pd-else-v.1.0-rc12/Source/Control/pdlink.c:200:70: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘link_get_own_port’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
  200 |         post("[pdlink]: own IP:\n%s:%i", link_get_own_ip(x->x_link), link_get_own_port(x->x_link));
      |                                                                      ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:7756: CMakeFiles/pdlink.dir/all] Error 2
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i hope this helps to make it work

@atux If you want to send messages to Ardour..... controlling it from Pd.... this is the page you need...
https://manual.ardour.org/using-control-surfaces/controlling-ardour-with-osc/osc-control/
OSC messages can be sent back to Pd from Ardour too....
The patch you posted first controls plugin parameters.
Probably just replace the send message with for example.......
[send /transport_stop(
or
[send /transport_play(
David.

@whale-av said:

You will have to assign a midi control to the colour value in your TouchOSC layout..... for each control.
"Color corresponds to the control color, indexed by the control's MIDI message controller value, note velocity or program number value, ranging from 0 to 8"
I don't know how that would work with a grid.

well, luckily i have some prior art from asking around on the TouchOSC Discord - i got told how to change the colour of a grid object (in this case, a fader from purple to yellow, to differentiate them).

so here's 9 grids that auto-initialize to having the fourth slider (which corresponds to the fourth send in ableton live, which is a specific type of send (+1 octave pitch grain/granulator), set to yellow.
the OSC command for this fourth one is:

function init()
      if self.name == "4" then         -- only executed in control 4
        self.color = Color(1,1,0)
      end
end

so in essence, it should be possible to take this and set the color right.
i'm not sure how though but at least there's the functional color changing code.

ok so i tried to change the formatting for yellow from what was specified in the plom.tosc, green = Color(1,93,0), to green = Color(1,1,0), but that did not seem to result in any specific change.

but i am getting these messages of /1/multifader1/3/color and /1/multifader1/4/color type stuffs and one of them receives the string red and the other the string green.

so maybe what's going on is that they're just not receiving the actual right message. if i was maybe sending a string with the required content, maybe that'd be the trick?

@esaruoho That's great news.
You will be able to update the grid on the iPad from Pd, sending back the same midi message that you receive in Pd, but the colour change I thought would need a text string.... which is simple with OSC messages..

However here....... https://hexler.net/touchosc-mk1/manual/editor-controls-properties it states that value,touch and colour can be controlled by midi message.

You will have to assign a midi control to the colour value in your TouchOSC layout..... for each control.
"Color corresponds to the control color, indexed by the control's MIDI message controller value, note velocity or program number value, ranging from 0 to 8"

I don't know how that would work with a grid.
With individual faders it would be easy, with a multifader it should be possible as you must already have a midi address assigned somehow to each individual fader.

TouchOSC have a new tool on their site for protocol analysis...... https://hexler.net/protokol#_
David.

@whale-av said:

@esaruoho I have found the very small investment in TouchOSC

Great app!

TouchOSC and Open Stage Control are similar but different.

Open Stage Control is a server and thin client. The server runs in Windows, Mac or Linux. It ships with its own client for editing, but you can also point Firefox or Chrome to it, with full access to editing features in the browser as well. The server can load any number of "sessions." One session is synced across any number of clients. If I open the same session in multiple browsers, moving a control in one window will update all of them at once.

So it's client window --> server --> OSC messages to an address of your choosing.

One nice feature is that starting the server prints a QR code in the console, which you can scan in mobile Firefox to open the page, without typing an IP address. Typing the address always annoyed the **** out of me.

At this point, I feel like this works out better for me than TouchOSC. But, Open Stage Control doesn't send accelerometer data. I never used it extensively, but it was nice to have.

Open Stage Control is also free and open source, no proprietary app you have to install on your device.

Here's Open Stage Control driving SuperCollider:

hjh

@cfry Well, one case is to enable some sort of automation of parameter control. For example, the two examples that control a synth, enable the control of many parameters with only a few inputs. These examples control three or five parameteres, but I have used the object to control twenty parameters with the mouse coordinates, so with two inputs only. Additionaly, it helps you explore sounds as the parameter control will most likely fall in places that will creates sounds from a synth that you haven't created yourself, as the different combinations of twenty or so parameters are way too many to be able to thoroughly explore them all.
Concerning classification, it depends on what you would like to do. You could train it for example to clasify vowels, and based on speech input, keep a count of every vowel and do something with it.
Neural networks are just a tool to facilitate cumbersome processes, which can also provide interesting results. Anyway, I'm no specialist, so it's best if you keep searching to find ways to use NNs in your work.

@fina said:

I'm especially worried about multi mapping the controls to different pages/layers and how the controllers behave if the pot/encoder is in a different position

This can be a pain, faders (unless they are motorized) will jump, if you are at midi value 10 and switch too a different mapping that has that fader at max, when you move it it will jump down to 10, quite annoying but can be exploited and was a common trick on the early synths with patch memory that used analog controls, but this was generally more a hindrance than a help. Most modern controllers use endless rotary encoders which will update their values, in absolute mode you map out the controls on the controller itself and make presets, switch the mapping and the new values are there so no jump when you turn the knob but this has the disadvantage that they generally are limited to the low resolution 0-127 midi values. In relative mode the encoder sends only a plus or minus value so you can have unlimited resolution but you need to do more in pd since you need to add or subtract those plus or minus values from a stored value.

Personally I find mapping controls on a controller to be slow and I do need greater resolution so I do it all the mapping and the like in pd with relative mode, I made some abstractions to take care of all the work and they do some useful things like the first tick is ignored and just highlights the parameter being edited so when you forget what knob does what you can find your way without altering anything that is going on. This also means you are not limited by the controllers memory for mappings, I just do that in the patch so I have a virtually unlimited number of mappings. I use an Arturia Beatstep as a controller, 16 pads and 16 encoders, so each pad selects a mapping giving me 256 parameters I can edit or if I somehow needed more I could arrange the pads as 8 banks of 8 and 1024, but I have yet to need to do that. It also has the sequencer mode which is very limited but handy as an easy way to easily test sounds out. I can upload these abstractions if you decide on going with relative encoders, been on my list to get those uploaded but I tend to drag my feet on documentation so they have yet to get a proper upload, they have been uploaded a few times in various threads just not everything with actual documentation.

One thing to keep in mind, some controllers have software editors to make it easier to map stuff out, these software editors often do not work in linux even in Wine, so if you use linux you will want to make sure that the sysex commands have been published either by the maker or by someone who has sat down and figured them all out. For what ever reason some companies just will not release the sysex (Arturia being one of them). It is not terribly difficult to figure out the sysex on your own, just time consuming.

Hey there! I'm trying to find a good and versatile midi controller for pd in general, to get more tactile and hands-on controls for different patches. While researching I stumbled upon lots of different controllers in different price ranges, starting with fader/pot controllers like the korg nanokontrol or novation launchcontrol (xl), midi keyboards like the arturia keylab/minilab and akai mpk (mini), or endless encoders like behringer x-touch (mini), faderfox uc4/ec4, or the intech grid controllers.
I'm always struggling with decisions and therefore thought about asking for your experiences. I'm especially worried about multi mapping the controls to different pages/layers and how the controllers behave if the pot/encoder is in a different position. so if you'd like to talk a bit about your experiences with midi controllers, what works best for you, what you think is important to consider, and how you implement midi controllers in your patches and/or performances, I'd be very thankful!
Kind regards, f.

Hi ! I'm very new to pd and have a simple question about getting / parsing midi input from a device.

I have a DJ controller type device with rotary knobs and faders that I would like to control things in pd with, but looking at the midi messages, it seems like the device doesn't send just one message per control, but instead sends 2 messages every time, one with a coarse value (which is consistent with the knob movement) and one with a fine value, which i can't really make sense of.

I came across this post https://cycling74.com/forums/high-resolution-midi-or-osc-controllers
and now assume that the controller is doing that "Pitch Bend Change" thing in order to broadcast a higher resolution value via midi.

So my question is now how to parse this midi control input into a normal value i can use in pd, is there a patch or library i can use to do this? I'm very new to pd so I don't really understand how these things work yet.
Playing with the inputs from the controller in pd, I am able to isolate only the coarse messages by ignoring every second message using a toggle and a spigot, which does provide a value that roughly represents the state of a control knob, but ideally i would like to get the actual precise position correctly parsed out of the two messages.

Any help would be appreciated.