so externals that work with tcl/tk won't work, right? kinda like it's the case with purr data?

@Nicolas-Danet said:

https://github.com/Spaghettis/Spaghettis#run

ok, that was actually easy so this?

I'm actually curious now about this project, I haven't heard about it yet and would like to know what it offers. But sorry about me asking this, cause I see you have different help files, but they are much more minimal and lack information we have in Pd vanilla. Is this still going on? Am I missing something?

cheers

@oid said:

@porres Same, no response yet.

I'm suspecting there's something wrong and funny here!!!

@Nicolas-Danet said:

Build Spaghettis!

c'mon, no download anywhere? no release? No step by step instructions on how to build?

Notice that since i'm currently working on a new version with JUCE the current version can be considered absolutely WIP.

what's 'WIP'?

@oid said:

To sign up for working on it you fill out the form at https://www.flossmanuals.org/get-involved-0, I applied for access on Saturday but have yet to hear back.

I applied on monday, nothing yet here, what about there?

@Nicolas-Danet said:

But as it is just for my fork, that's not compatible anymore with Pd.

so how can I see what you did?

Note that it was a very painfull experience to "clean" the Puckette patches.

I don't know what you did and when, but recently I also "cleaned" them up and the result is already there in the latest version. I guess my OCD makes me a good candidate for this kind of work... it took me a week, but it wasn't painful

cheers

Anyone knows who 'mickfuzz' is? => https://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/_info/

just emailed him

and why do we have an archived version of the manua that is just the same here => http://archive.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/ ?

And why is the manual in different languages different? https://fr.flossmanuals.net/puredata/introduction/

Is it cause we just have total chaos, mess, and independent unofficial takes on what a Pd manual is and should be? and depending on what language you speak you get a different idea and information?

@Nicolas-Danet said:

Renovate the help / tutorials patches (it took me three monthes for Spaghettis).

where's this by the way?

@Nicolas-Danet said:

The FLOSS manual was a great community documentation, and it should be updated, but that task is out of scope. Let people maintains their work, maintain yours first.

Prize question: do we still have FLOSS maintainers out there? If so? Where are they? One way or another, how to update it, if we're doing it? I'm still unaware. I did contribute a bit to the project back in the day, in 2009. My name is there, I worked with Derek, who's now off the ship. I wanna know what it takes and what to do about it

Anyway, I see what you mean, and it makes sense, for reasonable people. I guess I'm not I do byte on more than I can chew and I already have a lot on my plate. Call me crazy, but I've been managing some insane things well and have achieved them, and I'm now considering this ludicrous undertake to overhaul Pd's documentation, all at one shot. Including the Floss Manual. Let's see...

@60hz said:

Note: On the other side, I prefer using pd-ceammc libraries which are organized AND replace all pd-extended and more, so the best would be having Purr Data + ceammc lib and the peace would come back on earth...

By the way, my ELSE library was meant as a replacement for Extended as well, at least for my needs and my live electronics tutorial (with over 420 examples now and counting), this tutorial is part of ELSE in its download. ELSE provides more than 420 objects and replaces ALL the ones from extended that I used and also the new ones I created for recent Cyclone. It also offers a lot more stuff that was never in Extended.

You can download ELSE as part of Pd-ceammc via their deken and all, use it, 100% comptible too. Or you can have both ceammc_lib and ELSE in Vanilla (and more of the extended libraries you miss. You can't fully run neither ceammc nor ELSE in Purr.

So, yeah, my point is, there's life beyond extended. If people get out of this cave, free themselves from these shackles, just get over it, we can move on. We can make an up to date Floss Manuals that actually talks about these things, we can update the resources in puredata.info (there's not even a mention about pd-ceammc there).

The solution is hard, time consuming, but simple: update, update, update. This is here already, but people are unaware, so we fix this by spreading the word, by doing all that it takes.

Otherwise, we'll live in the past and be eternal widows of Extended and keep saying Vanilla is obscure, less accessible. Well, I wanna just change that.