Hi!

I hope this is the right place to ask about this....It might have been dicussed before but I haven't been able to find an aswer yet...

Does somebody have an example on how to handle 14-bit midi cc messages o PD?
....I'm a bit lost here?
is it possible to still use the ctlin object or do i have to mess with the raw midi input?

Any help would be really appreciated!

@alexandros yeah I'm sure* - I send it to reaper and in reaper tell a knob on a VST to be a 14 bit CC. I was testing the Korg MS-20 VST with the resonance cranked doing a filter sweep to try and hear the stepping... for science

*I'm not sure about hardware like a Behringer B-Control Rotary BCR 2000 - 14 bit is esoteric and was never really used, they went off with MPE which is still pretty fun when patched right - if I had something hardware that does 14 bit midi I'd just open up Midi-OX (it runs great in wine btw, I like how you can set it to show decimal) to see what two CCs its sending on.

@whale-av toss them up on archive.org like this champ https://archive.org/details/@bubba_jones i bet ill run across it, ive been collecting and looking for old music/synth books/manuals - cheaper hobby than collecting synths, kind of want to look at the back of the BCR manual

@fishcrystals OK, so I'm trying out MIDI-OX with wine, and when I twist a knob, I get one controller number only. My controller is novation launchkey mini. The only thing I did was set the hardware as input, and then I look at the monitor when twisting knobs. I do get DATA1 and DATA2, but DATA1 is stuck to 15. Didn't even know about MIDI-OX, so there might something more I need to do.

@fishcrystals Here you go...... the editor actually works unlike Behringer's.... and SecretBC should tell you what you didn't know that you needed to know......
Behringer's doc is pretty poor for the BC units.....
I say the editor works..... just a small anomaly is that you have to type in 16383 for val2 for 14-bit, as it is missing as an option in the drop down list..... no big deal...... and the value will be forever planted in your brain...... range 16384...... values 0-16383.
The editor is for windows.. and one of the reasons that I have always carried a Mac that runs bootcamp..... ready for any eventuality on the road.
Back up before you play...
BCF-BCR.zip

I might try to push to an archive one day, but there is 3Gb of stuff...... lots useful....... lots sysex dumps, firmware etc...... all to be catalogued first.
David.

@alexandros I cannot find any mention of 14-bit or nrpn for your Novation.
There is a programmer you can download from them..... but still no mention.
It could be that the Logic preset will give you 14-bit on the encoders (or one of the other presets?) in which case maybe you could hack something together from that.
David.

@alexandros the software editor for your device is always the best place to look into (and occasionally they have updates that add functionality or fix things) https://us.novationmusic.com/components

@alexandros Only pitchbend uses data1 and data2 for the 14 bit value.

It combines CC and CC+32 for a MSB and LSB value. In midi-ox a CC is Status 176, Data1 is the CC number Data2 is the value

There's a copy of an old 32bit build of wine for mac on winhq so I got lucky, I keep an older macbook pro around that can run 32bit for all the prosumer firewire music gear. >:)

Is MIDI-OX providing any information that you couldn't get by just printing midiin values? Apart from the timestamp perhaps.

hjh

@ddw_music good question - hadn't really thought about why I always find myself going to it (or something like it) even tho I could use PD for everything - it is a lot like an oscilliscope vs a PD as a multimeter for the timestamp (and the one that lights up what channels/systex/mtc are sending/receiving)

but also it's a dedicated tool that I've used for decades that's been reliable vs a programming environment that I have to program - that's just code wiff experience - Its great to visualize what is happening for debugging and acts as a sanity check, PD requires you to program it and could possibly have weird edge cases across itself and the low level midi code it uses in the various operating systems. So they make a great team.

A funny thing I just realized looking at it over on a mac - the version of wine thinks of the mac's core audio roland gm soundfont as though its like the ms one you can connect to - that's why it was so easy to connect and use it like its just a midi port instead of having to summon a AU Vst (it's got near zero latency unlike the windows one too)