Let's be honest, if you are using free/open source software that you do not support and that you do not collaborate to in any way and that you do not follow closely to be aware that some features aren't actually supported, you're not really "screwed" if you use such features... you also have absolutely no right to get "pissed" and rage with hate like you did about this on facebook.

I find your attitude quite egocentric and offensive to Timothy and everyone involved in the great development of PlugData, they deserve much better respect and support.

You've been quite disrespectfully on facebook to the Pd community in general with your mentality and rage outburst for being "pissed" about the "discontinuity" of Ofelia (which wasn't discontinued as it was never oficial) and then saying you have abandoned PlugData now for good and are now using MAX4LIVE instead... you have managed your tone about it all here, maybe cause you don't want to get banned here as well, but this information is also found on your personal website and you have even mentioned how you are "rightly pissed" and attacked me there!

You have to be really politically ignorant to treat a comercial software like MAX and Pure Data as equals and rage about a free and open source project not offering what you want, as if you were a "customer" not getting you what you need, for free, when you're not engaged in that community at all. Why don't you try and fix and make Ofelia part of PlugData... why don't you support it financially since you are willing to pay for commercial software instead?

Well, I guess don't do that, go ahead and leave the community, if you do not outburst in rage again and just get banned as well. I guess Open source projects are not for spoiled and self centered people who just want to take and not give anything, and then badmouth the project when it is not "sufficient".

And for the record, [pdlua] has been officially supported and part of PlugData for over a year now and won't ever be discontinued. It's also getting awesome new features like graphics support and inline scripting (as Ofelia offered). But [pdlua] will now just be integrated into ELSE and maybe called something "else".

cheers

@ddw_music Yup, exactly!

So they still use Macs, but pirate all the software for it? Kind of odd.

But yeah the "max4live except everywhere" is the narrative that I've been telling people as well.
The advantage over RNBO is that we don't need to use some online compiler either. The toolchain we use with Plugdata is all integrated!

So you can build a VST or program a microcontroller straight from the DAW

@dreamer said:

Oh I'm sorry. I am referring to https://github.com/Wasted-Audio/hvcc which we have integrated in PlugData:

https://plugdata.org/images/hvcc.png

From there you can then output a plugin binary of your patch (VST2/VST3/LV2/CLAP).

Ah ha, very nice! So a publicity narrative could be "PlugData: Max4Live for every DAW; PlugData-hvcc: RNBO for free" (more or less) and this all seems to have happened very quickly.

FWIW I think this kind of narrative could help attract users. I'm teaching in mainland China. Recently I was talking with a professor in Beijing who said Pd will never catch on in China, because software piracy is the norm -- so their logic is, why use minimal-core Pd legitimately when I can have all of Max+Jitter for free? A counterargument is, then: If you use Max, then you can integrate with only one DAW. If you use Pd, you can integrate with your choice of DAW. Cycling '74 isn't offering that, and won't. (I used PlugData recently in Reaper to add another sample to a kick drum in some recorded material -- filter --> onset detector --> sample player -- worked a treat! I very much appreciated having the flexibility to use Pd wherever I want.)

However I might have to cave in and go Max in class, because GEM is showing more and more compatibility problems, especially on Mac.

hjh

Also note, if you use PlugData, then you can insert Pd directly into Ableton tracks as VST plugins. At that point, it's similar to a Max4Live device -- if you have a Max4Live license, you may as well use that, but if not, PlugData would have a similar workflow and should be more convenient to integrate into the workflow than standalone Pd.

Otherwise Obineg is right: the forum can help you with implementation, but it can't decide which spatialization technique best suits your needs. You'll have to decide that first.

hjh

@KMETE
--- doesnt work in max, it is pluggo/max4live exlcusive.

in max you would use #0

as long as you are typing arguments directly to objects you may even already concatenate it to other symbols: [object #0_argument]

@timothyschoen said:

@ddw_music gem support is a common request, but there are some unfortunately some problems when combining gem with JUCE. I'm gonna take a look at it soon, but it will probably take a lot of work to overcome this.

Oh, it's not a request (from me). I'm quite comfortable keeping them in standard Pd for graphics.

I'll definitely introduce plugdata as a "free-libre software sees max4live and goes even more open" option.

hjh

I've been thinking about Camomile to interact with DAWs.

Camomile make possible create DAW plugins (VST, AU, LV2) that can run Pd patches inside the DAW. https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile

In the last beta version you can open Pd and use all externals stuff from Pd just like Max4Live.

I don't know a tutorial, but Camomile have a compreensible documentation.
https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile/wiki

@jancsika said:

Searching for "biquad" does turn up biquad~ help, but the problem is that the help patch illustrates nothing about calculating filter coefficients.

Try the search again using the settings I gave in the comment under the issue you added to the tracker.

Seen that, thanks.

That Purr-Data for Mac doesn't support GEM is, unfortunately, a deal-breaker.

I'm not sure what your original terms were. Are you in search of

1. the most suitable software
2. the most suitable free/open source software
3. the most suitable gratis software
4. something else?

Pd-vanilla plus a few specific external libraries will meet the needs of that course. Purr Data's GUI is more attractive, and the zoom feature is extremely useful in the classroom, but these are not critical. The ability to use GEM or Ofelia on Mac, Windows and Linux platforms is critical for me.

I suppose really "the most suitable software" is Ableton Live + Max4Live. But I can't in good conscience require students to use a specific commercial software package when I know, practically speaking, most of the students here will not pay for it. So FLOSS is preferable, yes.

But that's not really relevant to the comment. The point is that Purr Data is, unfortunately, not currently suitable for multimedia on an OS platform that is widely used for digital arts, while Pd-vanilla is.

hjh

Not that I ever looked extensively, but it seems that the forums on cycling74.com are the de facto Max community. The categories are a bit different than here, but the Max/MSP section involves mostly things that would be Technical Issues here. There's also a category specifically for Max4Live.

Just don't mention anything about rounded corners.

Hi there,

I feel good on Pd. I use it every day. But the collective I'm working with uses Ableton Live and Max4Live... and sometimes I bang my head against technical issues.

Could someone advise me a 'good' Max/Msp forum, similar to our beloved 'Patch~' forum here on 'Le Hurleur' ? English, French and Italian ones will be useful.

Thank you so much.

Nau

P.S.: tonight I'll try 'http://codelab.fr'

EDIT : (Doh !) Instead of a 'patch~' forum, I'm actually looking for a 'Technical issue' forum