(just information - in case you didn't know)

It doesn't answer your question, but if money is not a concern (lol), Ableton 8 and higher integrate Max (it's called Max4live). Personnally I work on linux and Pd, but I use to 'port' many patches to Max4live for some friends, it's rather easy (but also boring) and works flawlessly.

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Hi All,

Trying to set up Touch OSC/Android. Can normally find my own answers by searching forums but no joy today!!:

Problem; PD or PD files will not open, period.

NB: My win XP version has been stripped down for music use so wondered if there are any known issues with missing services etc....?

Works fine on my standard office XP PC at work.

Already had midi yoke for BCR2000/Mackie/Huskervu use.

Installed PD, saved 'ableton midi pd file'

Neither PD or the PD file opening.

Un-installed, deleted, reg fixed etc... still not launching,

Are there any alternatives to PD to save me re-installing windows?

Max4Live maybe?

I searched for the past 3 days to find someone with the same problem but seems to just be me!!

I use it all, love it all for different reasons. Ableton, PD, Max, Pro-Tools, Audacity - I have a 2 suitcase analogue modular, a few polys, and drum machines about.

PD and MIDI Yoke or the IAC bus work well for Ableton remote control. Ableton has Max4Live so that's simple, Pro-Tools I just use for straight up recording nothing fancy or too creative.

Hi there,

I'm about to port a patch to max4live, which is a built-in Max/MSP sibling in Abelton Live. (asfaik - I'm not an Ableton Live user)

Of course I found the straightforward

http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/PdForMaxUsers

documentation.

Does anyone knows about another interresting document ?

Thank you,

Arnaud

@somi said:

or are you wondering about a mini timeline within the plugin, like i.e. dblue_glitch has? then, a seq, that rewinds itself on stop is enough? that should be easy.

i am at a loss though, when it comes to a real timestamp/songposititon being sent from the host.

hey, basically all plugins whether vst or au can receive transport timecode info from the host. So in theory that would mean sample accurate sync and if you have a snazzy enough patch with positional markers then you could have the sequence in the patch tally with the timeline in the host.

However this is all a bit of a moot for my as I run OSX, for which there is not PdVST! If there was then there would be good times ahead, and it would align Pd more with the whole Max4live thang. I envisage something like Reaktor or Bidules implementation.

THis is how Plogue Bidule works, and Reaktor. For sure it works well, although reaktor does crash a lot in my experience. With Max4Live is guess the patch IS ableton.

But for sure, if Pd could be implemented like this some how well, i think it could be good . Hans mentioned that he had been working the Coreaudio AU plugin interface to get audio working on the iphone. I wonder if this has revealed anything interesting for running Pd within a plugin in a host

Mammoth task it would be tho!

I did use time by time pdvst within energyXT 1, was pretty nice, but the way pdvst work is not ideal.

It would be as good than max4live if it let user store the patch state,structure,and data right inside your main host project.

What would mimic the max4live way (if i have well understood how it works), would be having only 1 pdvst vst plugin that would be able to store the patch as a preset, instead of creating an instance of pdvst for each patch you make, modify.

Not sure if the specification of vst let you store a big amount of data...

If only i had better coding abilities, i would give it a try, right now the pdvst project looks pretty dead (not new work on it since 2004).

@Maelstorm said:

From what I can tell, the big difference is that Max4Live allows Max to communicate directly with Live's API. I'm a bit fuzzy on what that really means, but I think it allows you to manipulate Live in ways that MIDI messages won't allow, or that other software just simply won't let you do. Luke Dubois of Cycling74 jokingly said Ableton may actually regret letting them do that.

Basically you'll have direct access to things like session clips and all the power that they possess (self contained clip automation etc). So i guess being able to sequence them is handy. Sometime you have to resort to hacky workarounds when launching clips in live situations.......

So i digress......Bit of a philosophical question here. Do you think there will be over-complex/engineered music as a result of things like this? Theres already enough derivative music out there. I mean, the range and depth of tools available available to us now, compared to when i started this whole thing 17 odd years ago, is just insane. Sometimes the blessing is in the limitations - Atari ste and an Akai s950. Imagine using that again, knowing what you know. It could be challenging, but very fun!

From what I can tell, the big difference is that Max4Live allows Max to communicate directly with Live's API. I'm a bit fuzzy on what that really means, but I think it allows you to manipulate Live in ways that MIDI messages won't allow, or that other software just simply won't let you do. Luke Dubois of Cycling74 jokingly said Ableton may actually regret letting them do that.

@nestor said:

ASFAIK, the best way to do what you want to do is with Jack, so keep it up.

True - once you have it setup right. Its totally cool. But when you bounce down stuf from Pd tho, i find it better to record Pd side. I've notice that when recording in Live, if theres a heavy processor part the latency increases - Pd's logical time and Live's logical time are NOT synced. Therefore parts of the recording get delayed by a few ms, bit annoying. So I have a handy multi track recorder for that (i can upload if any one finds it useful) and I just drag the resulting wavs into Live.

I do wish there was Jack transport/midi support in Live tho.

At the end of the day, its all about convenience. I don't see what you can do with max4live that you can't with Pd, Jack and Live. Its just not as integrated. Before someone says sample accuracy, yeah yeah yeah....but did we even worry about it when we all had hardware samplers and synths? Did that stop some of the best electronic tunes being produced?

When you really think about it (and start to really pick it apart) what are you going to be able to do extra specially in this new arrangement. Like slvmchn says you'll have to remake every patch hah hah ha!

(i'm just fed up with shelling out for proprietry software - can you tell?!)

S