@esaruoho wrote:

16 "LFOs" to "breathe" up and down the volume slider

How does your modulation LFO look like?
Is the modulator a signal or control-object?
Does it offset or master the fader ?

Did you try what I mentioned in your other thread?
https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/14291/need-a-simpler-way-to-change-slider-background-color-when-on-and-off/6

If you update the GUI on each block
= SR/64 = 44100 /64=689 times per second,
this is overkill and is going to drag down performance, even if the two parts run asynchronously.
<25 frames per second should be enough for the GUI.

Setting many faders and their colour once in a while should not cause any trouble. Limiting the update rate might be enough to run stable. (see the patch below)

Benefit from separating GUI- and audio-parts across two PD-instances would be, if the GUI is lagging, audio still runs without drop-outs as PD-instances run asynchronous.

Ideally run the PD-instances on different CPU-cores (and audio in higher priority) by setting this in the operating system.

(btw offtopic, to complicate things even further: in case you are not aware of it:
there is also the [pd~] object, which does simple multithreading, splitting patches across the CPU-cores. But the parts are running synchronous.
Running one instance of Pure Data only, without [pd~], everything runs on one core only.)

For real-time audio a synchronous chain between input and output is important.
So no, unless you know what you are doing, don't split audio into several PD-instances.
(but yes, on different cores with [pd~], in case the audio-part runs out of CPU-time and you don't want to increase latency).

Sth like this is what I thought about in the other thread, slowing down GUI-update-rate with [metro] and [snapshot~]
and detaching it from the deterministic chain with [pipe],
while maintaining signal-rate amplitude modulation:

fader-abstraction.pd
slider-guts.pd

(I don't have Vanilla here right now, and doesn't work on web-PurrData,. But should work on Vanilla, if there is no bug!?)
EDIT: changed [pipe 5] and added [change] and set fader properties to "jump on click"

I'm running Pd-0.52-2 on MacOS Monterey (12.6) and having trouble with externals that I created. When developing/debugging, everything is fine. I have 4 externals with extensions .pd_darwin, each dependent upon a DLL named libo2pd.dylib. With everything in ~/Documents/Pd/externals/, I can start my locally compiled pd-0.52-2.app, and everything works. But if I run a downloaded /Applications/Pd-052-2.app and try to create one of these external objects, I get the message:

/Users/rbd/Documents/Pd/externals/o2ensemble.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Users/rbd/Documents/Pd/externals/o2ensemble.pd_darwin, 0x000A): Library not loaded: 'libo2pd.dylib'
  Referenced from: '/Users/rbd/Documents/Pd/externals/o2ensemble.pd_darwin'
  Reason: tried: 'libo2pd.dylib' (relative path not allowed in hardened program), '/usr/lib/libo2pd.dylib' (no such file)
 o2ensemble o2global
... couldn't create

I get the same results running from the command line, and running from the directory with the .dylib and externals does not make any difference. Note that /usr/lib is protected even using sudo, so even if I could install libo2pd.dylib there, I don't think it's an acceptable solution.

I suspect this problem stems from Apple security policies, but I don't know how Pd searches for .dylibs and there's a lot of ambiguity in documentation and discussions since "libraries" and "paths" are used in multiple ways. I also tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and running from the command line, but that didn't work.

Does anyone know to set up Pd for an external that depends on a DLL?

@Load074 Since it takes so long you may want to just log all those prints externally. You can use the pdreceive command line application to send the data out of pd with the [netsend] object. So instead of connecting thing to various [print] objects you prepend a descriptive label to the data and then send that into [netsend]. Run pdreceive [port number] >> [logfile name] then send the [connect <port number>( to your [netsend] object in pd, and start the patch, everything gets send there. Then you can use a text editor or the standard command line tools to examine the text file after the crash, just control-c to kill pdreceive after pd freezes. Useful tools too examine the log will be things like tail and grep, tail -50 [logfile] will give you the last 50 lines of the log, tail -50 [logfile] | grep [label] will give you the last 50 occurances of all entries for [label]. Should make it much easier to decode the problem. The [trace] object could also be of use here. And there are a great number of other useful tools on the command line, any of the tools used for working with text files like cut and sort and the shells own scripting language, any good guide for your shell should help you here if you do not have much experience with shell scripting and the command line apps.

And time is relative, no need to wait an hour, speed up your control objects, if everything is under control of a master [metro] make it run 10 times faster and you will get your result in a tenth of the time. If you are logging it all to a file you do not need things to run slow enough that you can read them in the log window.

No problem... here it is simplified, with some comments. Thanks!

#N canvas 678 92 1242 928 12;
#X msg 273 196 resize $1;
#X obj 527 71 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10
#fcfcfc #000000 #000000 1 256 0 0 1 0;
#X obj 273 221 array define sampler1;
#X obj 923 853 dac~;
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#000000 #000000 0 1 0 1;
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#X text 300 644 feedback;
#X obj 107 803 +~, f 4;
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#000000 1;
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#000000 #000000 1;
#X obj 152 374 *~ 44099;
#X obj 545 267 - 1;
#X obj 920 369 *~ 44099;
#X obj 107 839 poke~ sampler1;
#X text 500 14 this part up here just calculates the buffer size as1
second , based on the sample rate;
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indexrange starts at 0 , not 1;
#X text 992 341 phasor forplayhead pointer;
#X text 226 356 phasor forwrite head pointer;
#X text 566 445 this is here to indicatewhen the read and write indexare
the same (diagnostic);
#X obj 970 557 s~ feedback;
#X obj 188 725 r~ feedback;
#X obj 20 63 s~ dry;
#X obj 516 420 expr~ (abs($v1-$v2)< 1);
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#N canvas 0 0 450 300 buff 0;
#X obj 40 107 samplerate~;
#X obj 40 130 * 1;
#X msg 127 105 1;
#X obj 40 80 t b b;
#X obj 40 152 t f f;
#X obj 13 26 inlet;
#X obj 63 26 inlet;
#X obj 13 225 outlet;
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#X obj 125 225 outlet;
#X connect 0 0 1 0;
#X connect 1 0 4 0;
#X connect 2 0 9 0;
#X connect 3 0 0 0;
#X connect 3 1 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 7 0;
#X connect 4 1 8 0;
#X connect 5 0 3 0;
#X connect 6 0 1 1;
#X restore 472 68 pd buff;
#X text 249 244 defines and sizes the buffer;
#N canvas 0 0 450 300 line 0;
#X obj 40 100 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10
#fcfcfc #000000 #000000 0 256 0 0 1 0;
#X obj 40 80 / 127;
#X obj 40 148 line~;
#X msg 40 118 $1 100;
#X obj 13 26 inlet;
#X obj 13 221 outlet~;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 1 0 0 0;
#X connect 2 0 5 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 1 0;
#X restore 281 725 pd line;
#N canvas 0 0 450 300 line 0;
#X obj 40 103 line~;
#X msg 40 80 $1 100;
#X obj 13 26 inlet;
#X obj 13 176 outlet~;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 1 0 0 0;
#X connect 2 0 1 0;
#X restore 920 304 pd line;
#N canvas 0 0 450 300 line 0;
#X obj 40 100 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10
#fcfcfc #000000 #000000 0 256 0 0 1 0;
#X obj 40 80 / 127;
#X obj 40 148 line~;
#X msg 43 118 $1 100;
#X obj 13 26 inlet;
#X obj 13 221 outlet~;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 1 0 0 0;
#X connect 2 0 5 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 1 0;
#X restore 978 774 pd line;
#X connect 0 0 2 0;
#X connect 1 0 36 1;
#X connect 4 0 20 0;
#X connect 5 0 39 0;
#X connect 7 0 40 0;
#X connect 8 0 3 0;
#X connect 8 0 3 1;
#X connect 9 0 38 0;
#X connect 10 0 13 1;
#X connect 13 0 23 0;
#X connect 14 0 36 0;
#X connect 15 0 36 0;
#X connect 16 0 13 0;
#X connect 16 0 31 0;
#X connect 17 0 22 0;
#X connect 18 0 19 0;
#X connect 20 0 23 1;
#X connect 20 0 32 0;
#X connect 21 0 20 1;
#X connect 21 0 22 1;
#X connect 22 0 32 1;
#X connect 22 0 33 0;
#X connect 30 0 10 0;
#X connect 32 0 18 0;
#X connect 33 0 8 0;
#X connect 33 0 29 0;
#X connect 35 0 8 0;
#X connect 36 0 0 0;
#X connect 36 1 21 0;
#X connect 36 2 1 0;
#X connect 38 0 10 1;
#X connect 39 0 17 0;
#X connect 40 0 8 1;

Hey, I'm trying to get purr-data to work on my fresh Manjaro XFCE install, but it does not work. Any help is greatly appreciated!

$ yay purr-data
7 aur/purrdata-faust 0.18-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Run Faust signal processors in Pd, Purr-Data version
6 aur/purrdata-pure 0.26-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Loader plugin for the Pure programming language, Purr-Data version
5 aur/purrdata-lv2plugin-git 25.e00f302-1 (+0 0.00) 
    LV2 plugin host for Pd, Purr-Data version
4 aur/purrdata-mdnsbrowser-git 8.88d2b0c-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Zeroconf service advertising and discovery for Pd, Purr-Data version
3 aur/purrdata-touchosc-git 44.443c793-1 (+0 0.00) 
    A TouchOSC MIDI bridge for Pd, Purr-Data version
2 aur/purr-data-git 2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1 (+2 0.00) 
    Jonathan Wilkes' nw.js variant of Pd-L2Ork (git version)
1 aur/purr-data 2.12.0.r4346.aeb24d89-1 (+6 0.03) (Out-of-date: 2021-06-17) 
    Jonathan Wilkes' nw.js variant of Pd-L2Ork (git version)
==> Packages to install (eg: 1 2 3, 1-3 or ^4)
==> 2
:: There are 2 providers available for gconf:
:: Repository AUR
    1) gconf 2) gconf-gtk2 

Enter a number (default=1): ==> 
:: Checking for conflicts...
:: Checking for inner conflicts...
[Aur:2]  gconf-3.2.6+11+g07808097-10  purr-data-git-2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1

  2 gconf                                    (Build Files Exist)
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==> Packages to cleanBuild?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==> a
:: Deleting (1/1): /home/olav/.cache/yay/gconf
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==> 
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:: (2/2) Parsing SRCINFO: purr-data-git
==> Making package: gconf 3.2.6+11+g07808097-10 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:23:23 PM CET)
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Cloning gconf git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/olav/.cache/yay/gconf/gconf'...
==> Making package: purr-data-git 2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:23:23 PM CET)
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Cloning purr-data-git git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/olav/.cache/yay/purr-data-git/purr-data-git'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 21531, done.
remote: Enumerating objects: 63399, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (1852/1852), done.
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remote: Total 21531 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 21531
Receiving objects: 100% (21531/21531), 10.88 MiB | 9.46 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (17681/17681), done.1 KiB | 704.00 KiB/s
  -> Found 01_xml-gettext-domain.patch388.01 KiB | 704.00 KiB/s
  -> Found gconf-reload.patch
  -> Found gconf-merge-schema
  -> Found gconfpkg
  -> Found gconf-install.hook
  -> Found gconf-remove.hook
==> Validating source files with sha256sums...
    gconf ... Skipped
    01_xml-gettext-domain.patch ... Passed
    gconf-reload.patch ... Passed
    gconf-merge-schema ... Passed
    gconfpkg ... Passed
    gconf-install.hook ... Passed
    gconf-remove.hook ... Passed
remote: Total 63399 (delta 1106), reused 1786 (delta 1052), pack-reused 61547
Receiving objects: 100% (63399/63399), 177.19 MiB | 5.71 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (33721/33721), done.
  -> Downloading nwjs-sdk-v0.24.4-linux-x64.tar.gz...
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
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==> Validating source files with md5sums...
    purr-data-git ... Skipped
==> Validating source_x86_64 files with md5sums...
    nwjs-sdk-v0.24.4-linux-x64.tar.gz ... Passed
==> Making package: gconf 3.2.6+11+g07808097-10 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:24:19 PM CET)
==> Checking runtime dependencies...
==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Updating gconf git repo...
Fetching origin
  -> Found 01_xml-gettext-domain.patch
  -> Found gconf-reload.patch
  -> Found gconf-merge-schema
  -> Found gconfpkg
  -> Found gconf-install.hook
  -> Found gconf-remove.hook
==> Validating source files with sha256sums...
    gconf ... Skipped
    01_xml-gettext-domain.patch ... Passed
    gconf-reload.patch ... Passed
    gconf-merge-schema ... Passed
    gconfpkg ... Passed
    gconf-install.hook ... Passed
    gconf-remove.hook ... Passed
==> Removing existing $srcdir/ directory...
==> Extracting sources...
  -> Creating working copy of gconf git repo...
Cloning into 'gconf'...
done.
Switched to a new branch 'makepkg'
==> Starting prepare()...
/home/olav/.cache/yay/gconf/PKGBUILD: line 30: patch: command not found
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in prepare().
    Aborting...
 -> error making: gconf

And

yay purr-data
7 aur/purrdata-faust 0.18-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Run Faust signal processors in Pd, Purr-Data version
6 aur/purrdata-pure 0.26-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Loader plugin for the Pure programming language, Purr-Data version
5 aur/purrdata-lv2plugin-git 25.e00f302-1 (+0 0.00) 
    LV2 plugin host for Pd, Purr-Data version
4 aur/purrdata-mdnsbrowser-git 8.88d2b0c-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Zeroconf service advertising and discovery for Pd, Purr-Data version
3 aur/purrdata-touchosc-git 44.443c793-1 (+0 0.00) 
    A TouchOSC MIDI bridge for Pd, Purr-Data version
2 aur/purr-data-git 2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1 (+2 0.00) 
    Jonathan Wilkes' nw.js variant of Pd-L2Ork (git version)
1 aur/purr-data 2.12.0.r4346.aeb24d89-1 (+6 0.03) (Out-of-date: 2021-06-17) 
    Jonathan Wilkes' nw.js variant of Pd-L2Ork (git version)
==> Packages to install (eg: 1 2 3, 1-3 or ^4)
==> 2
:: There are 2 providers available for gconf:
:: Repository AUR
    1) gconf 2) gconf-gtk2 

Enter a number (default=1): ==> 
:: Checking for conflicts...
:: Checking for inner conflicts...
[Aur:2]  gconf-3.2.6+11+g07808097-10  purr-data-git-2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1

  2 gconf                                    (Build Files Exist)
  1 purr-data-git                           
==> Packages to cleanBuild?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==> a
:: Deleting (1/1): /home/olav/.cache/yay/gconf
:: (1/2) Downloaded PKGBUILD: gconf
:: (2/2) Downloaded PKGBUILD: purr-data-git
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==> Diffs to show?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==> 
:: (1/2) Parsing SRCINFO: gconf
:: (2/2) Parsing SRCINFO: purr-data-git
==> Making package: gconf 3.2.6+11+g07808097-10 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:23:23 PM CET)
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Cloning gconf git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/olav/.cache/yay/gconf/gconf'...
==> Making package: purr-data-git 2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:23:23 PM CET)
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Cloning purr-data-git git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/olav/.cache/yay/purr-data-git/purr-data-git'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 21531, done.
remote: Enumerating objects: 63399, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (1852/1852), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (641/641), done.
remote: Total 21531 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 21531
Receiving objects: 100% (21531/21531), 10.88 MiB | 9.46 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (17681/17681), done.1 KiB | 704.00 KiB/s
  -> Found 01_xml-gettext-domain.patch388.01 KiB | 704.00 KiB/s
  -> Found gconf-reload.patch
  -> Found gconf-merge-schema
  -> Found gconfpkg
  -> Found gconf-install.hook
  -> Found gconf-remove.hook
==> Validating source files with sha256sums...
    gconf ... Skipped
    01_xml-gettext-domain.patch ... Passed
    gconf-reload.patch ... Passed
    gconf-merge-schema ... Passed
    gconfpkg ... Passed
    gconf-install.hook ... Passed
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==> Validating source files with md5sums...
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==> Validating source_x86_64 files with md5sums...
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==> Making package: gconf 3.2.6+11+g07808097-10 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:24:19 PM CET)
==> Checking runtime dependencies...
==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Updating gconf git repo...
Fetching origin
  -> Found 01_xml-gettext-domain.patch
  -> Found gconf-reload.patch
  -> Found gconf-merge-schema
  -> Found gconfpkg
  -> Found gconf-install.hook
  -> Found gconf-remove.hook
==> Validating source files with sha256sums...
    gconf ... Skipped
    01_xml-gettext-domain.patch ... Passed
    gconf-reload.patch ... Passed
    gconf-merge-schema ... Passed
    gconfpkg ... Passed
    gconf-install.hook ... Passed
    gconf-remove.hook ... Passed
==> Removing existing $srcdir/ directory...
==> Extracting sources...
  -> Creating working copy of gconf git repo...
Cloning into 'gconf'...
done.
Switched to a new branch 'makepkg'
==> Starting prepare()...
/home/olav/.cache/yay/gconf/PKGBUILD: line 30: patch: command not found
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in prepare().
    Aborting...
 -> error making: gconf
[olav@AMD-Computer ~]$ yay purr-data
7 aur/purrdata-faust 0.18-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Run Faust signal processors in Pd, Purr-Data version
6 aur/purrdata-pure 0.26-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Loader plugin for the Pure programming language, Purr-Data version
5 aur/purrdata-lv2plugin-git 25.e00f302-1 (+0 0.00) 
    LV2 plugin host for Pd, Purr-Data version
4 aur/purrdata-mdnsbrowser-git 8.88d2b0c-1 (+0 0.00) 
    Zeroconf service advertising and discovery for Pd, Purr-Data version
3 aur/purrdata-touchosc-git 44.443c793-1 (+0 0.00) 
    A TouchOSC MIDI bridge for Pd, Purr-Data version
2 aur/purr-data-git 2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1 (+2 0.00) 
    Jonathan Wilkes' nw.js variant of Pd-L2Ork (git version)
1 aur/purr-data 2.12.0.r4346.aeb24d89-1 (+6 0.03) (Out-of-date: 2021-06-17) 
    Jonathan Wilkes' nw.js variant of Pd-L2Ork (git version)
==> Packages to install (eg: 1 2 3, 1-3 or ^4)
==> 2
:: There are 2 providers available for gconf:
:: Repository AUR
    1) gconf 2) gconf-gtk2 

Enter a number (default=1): ==> 2
:: Checking for conflicts...
:: Checking for inner conflicts...
[Aur:2]  gconf-gtk2-3.2.6-5  purr-data-git-2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1

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==> Packages to cleanBuild?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==> a
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:: Deleting (2/2): /home/olav/.cache/yay/purr-data-git
:: (1/2) Downloaded PKGBUILD: purr-data-git
:: (2/2) Downloaded PKGBUILD: gconf-gtk2
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==> Diffs to show?
==> [N]one [A]ll [Ab]ort [I]nstalled [No]tInstalled or (1 2 3, 1-3, ^4)
==> 
:: (1/2) Parsing SRCINFO: gconf-gtk2
:: (2/2) Parsing SRCINFO: purr-data-git
==> Making package: purr-data-git 2.12.0.r4366.6d94e10b-1 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:40:58 PM CET)
==> Retrieving sources...
==> Making package: gconf-gtk2 3.2.6-5 (Wed 09 Feb 2022 10:40:58 PM CET)
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Cloning purr-data-git git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/olav/.cache/yay/purr-data-git/purr-data-git'...
  -> Downloading GConf-3.2.6.tar.xz...
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  -> Found gconf-merge-schema
  -> Found gconfpkg
  -> Found gconf-reload.patch
  -> Found gconf-install.hook
  -> Found gconf-remove.hook
  -> Found 01_xml-gettext-domain.patch
  -> Found dbus-dontspew.patch
  -> Found gsettings-data-convert-fix-invalid-schema-path.patch
==> Validating source files with sha256sums...
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Howdy all,

I just found this and want to respond from my perspective as someone who has spent by now a good amount of time (paid & unpaid) working on the Pure Data source code itself.

I'm just writing for myself and don't speak for Miller or anyone else.

Mac looks good

The antialiasing on macOS is provided by the system and utilized by Tk. It's essentially "free" and you can enable or disable it on the canvas. This is by design as I believe Apple pushed antialiasing at the system level starting with Mac OS X 1.

There are even some platform-specific settings to control the underlying CoreGraphics settings which I think Hans tried but had issues with: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/tcl/apple_events.tcl#L16. As I recall, I actually disabled the font antialiasing as people complained that the canvas fonts on mac were "too fuzzy" while Linux was "nice and crisp."

In addition, the last few versions of Pd have had support for "Retina" high resolution displays enabled and the macOS compositor does a nice job of handling the point to pixel scaling for you, for free, in the background. Again, Tk simply uses the system for this and you can enable/disable via various app bundle plist settings and/or app defaults keys.

This is why the macOS screenshots look so good: antialiasing is on and it's likely the rendering is at double the resolution of the Linux screenshot.

IMO a fair comparison is: normal screen size in Linux vs normal screen size in Mac.

Nope. See above.

It could also just be Apple holding back a bit of the driver code from the open source community to make certain linux/BSD never gets quite as nice as OSX on their hardware, they seem to like to play such games, that one key bit of code that is not free and you must license from them if you want it and they only license it out in high volume and at high cost.

Nah. Apple simply invested in antialiasing via its accelerated compositor when OS X was released. I doubt there are patents or licensing on common antialiasing algorithms which go back to the 60s or even earlier.

tkpath exists, why not use it?

Last I checked, tkpath is long dead. Sure, it has a website and screenshots (uhh Mac OS X 10.2 anyone?) but the latest (and only?) Sourceforge download is dated 2005. I do see a mirror repo on Github but it is archived and the last commit was 5 years ago.

And I did check on this, in fact I spent about a day (unpaid) seeing if I could update the tkpath mac implementation to move away from the ATSU (Apple Type Support) APIs which were not available in 64 bit. In the end, I ran out of energy and stopped as it would be too much work, too many details, and likely to not be maintained reliably by probably anyone.

It makes sense to help out a thriving project but much harder to justify propping something up that is barely active beyond "it still works" on a couple of platforms.

Why aren't the fonts all the same yet?!

I also despise how linux/windows has 'bold' for default

I honestly don't really care about this... but I resisted because I know so many people do and are used to it already. We could clearly and easily make the change but then we have to deal with all the pushback. If you went to the Pd list and got an overwhelming consensus and Miller was fine with it, then ok, that would make sense. As it was, "I think it should be this way because it doesn't make sense to me" was not enough of a carrot for me to personally make and support the change.

Maybe my problem is that I feel a responsibility for making what seems like a quick and easy change to others?

And this view is after having put an in ordinate amount of time just getting (almost) the same font on all platforms, including writing and debugging a custom C Tcl extension just to load arbitrary TTF files on Windows.

Why don't we add abz, 123 to Pd? xyzzy already has it?!

What I've learned is that it's much easier to write new code than it is to maintain it. This is especially true for cross platform projects where you have to figure out platform intricacies and edge cases even when mediated by a common interface like Tk. It's true for any non-native wrapper like QT, WXWidgets, web browsers, etc.

Actually, I am pretty happy that Pd's only core dependencies a Tcl/Tk, PortAudio, and PortMidi as it greatly lowers the amount of vectors for bitrot. That being said, I just spent about 2 hours fixing the help browser for mac after trying Miller's latest 0.52-0test2 build. The end result is 4 lines of code.

For a software community to thrive over the long haul, it needs to attract new users. If new users get turned off by an outdated surface presentation, then it's harder to retain new users.

Yes, this is correct, but first we have to keep the damn thing working at all. I think most people agree with you, including me when I was teaching with Pd.

I've observed, at times, when someone points out a deficiency in Pd, the Pd community's response often downplays, or denies, or gets defensive about the deficiency. (Not always, but often enough for me to mention it.) I'm seeing that trend again here. Pd is all about lines, and the lines don't look good -- and some of the responses are "this is not important" or (oid) "I like the fact that it never changed." That's... thoroughly baffling to me.

I read this as "community" = "active developers." It's true, some people tend to poo poo the same reoccurring ideas but this is largely out of years of hearing discussions and decisions and treatises on the list or the forum or facebook or whatever but nothing more. In the end, code talks, even better, a working technical implementation that is honed with input from people who will most likely end up maintaining it, without probably understanding it completely at first.

This was very hard back on Sourceforge as people had to submit patches(!) to the bug tracker. Thanks to moving development to Github and the improvement of tools and community, I'm happy to see the new engagement over the last 5-10 years. This was one of the pushes for me to help overhaul the build system to make it possible and easy for people to build Pd itself, then they are much more likely to help contribute as opposed to waiting for binary builds and unleashing an unmanageable flood of bug reports and feature requests on the mailing list.

I know it's not going to change anytime soon, because the current options are a/ wait for Tcl/Tk to catch up with modern rendering or b/ burn Pd developer cycles implementing something that Tcl/Tk will(?) eventually implement or c/ rip the guts out of the GUI and rewrite the whole thing using a modern graphics framework like Qt. None of those is good (well, c might be a viable investment in the future -- SuperCollider, around 2010-2011, ripped out the Cocoa GUIs and went to Qt, and the benefits have been massive -- but I know the developer resources aren't there for Pd to dump Tcl/Tk).

A couple of points:

1. Your point (c) already happened... you can use Purr Data (or the new Pd-L2ork etc). The GUI is implemented in Node/Electron/JS (I'm not sure of the details). Is it tracking Pd vanilla releases?... well that's a different issue.

2. As for updating Tk, it's probably not likely to happen as advanced graphics are not their focus. I could be wrong about this.

I agree that updating the GUI itself is the better solution for the long run. I also agree that it's a big undertaking when the current implementation is essentially still working fine after over 20 years, especially since Miller's stated goal was for 50 year project support, ie. pieces composed in the late 90s should work in 2040. This is one reason why we don't just "switch over to QT or Juce so the lines can look like Max." At this point, Pd is aesthetically more Max than Max, at least judging by looking at the original Ircam Max documentation in an archive closet at work.

A way forward: libpd?

I my view, the best way forward is to build upon Jonathan Wilke's work in Purr Data for abstracting the GUI communication. He essentially replaced the raw Tcl commands with abstracted drawing commands such as "draw rectangle here of this color and thickness" or "open this window and put it here."

For those that don't know, "Pd" is actually two processes, similar to SuperCollider, where the "core" manages the audio, patch dsp/msg graph, and most of the canvas interaction event handling (mouse, key). The GUI is a separate process which communicates with the core over a localhost loopback networking connection. The GUI is basically just opening windows, showing settings, and forwarding interaction events to the core. When you open the audio preferences dialog, the core sends the current settings to the GUI, the GUI then sends everything back to the core after you make your changes and close the dialog. The same for working on a patch canvas: your mouse and key events are forwarded to the core, then drawing commands are sent back like "draw object outline here, draw osc~ text here inside. etc."

So basically, the core has almost all of the GUI's logic while the GUI just does the chrome like scroll bars and windows. This means it could be trivial to port the GUI to other toolkits or frameworks as compared to rewriting an overly interconnected monolithic application (trust me, I know...).

Basically, if we take Jonathan's approach, I feel adding a GUI communication abstraction layer to libpd would allow for making custom GUIs much easier. You basically just have to respond to the drawing and windowing commands and forward the input events.

Ideally, then each fork could use the same Pd core internally and implement their own GUIs or platform specific versions such as a pure Cocoa macOS Pd. There is some other re-organization that would be needed in the C core, but we've already ported a number of improvements from extended and Pd-L2ork, so it is indeed possible.

Also note: the libpd C sources are now part of the pure-data repo as of a couple months ago...

Discouraging Initiative?!

But there's a big difference between "we know it's a problem but can't do much about it" vs "it's not a serious problem." The former may invite new developers to take some initiative. The latter discourages initiative. A healthy open source software community should really be careful about the latter.

IMO Pd is healthier now than it has been as long as I've know it (2006). We have so many updates and improvements over every release the last few years, with many contributions by people in this thread. Thank you! THAT is how we make the project sustainable and work toward finding solutions for deep issues and aesthetic issues and usage issues and all of that.

We've managed to integrate a great many changes from Pd-Extended into vanilla and open up/decentralize the externals and in a collaborative manner. For this I am also grateful when I install an external for a project.

At this point, I encourage more people to pitch in. If you work at a university or institution, consider sponsoring some student work on specific issues which volunteering developers could help supervise, organize a Pd conference or developer meetup (this are super useful!), or consider some sort of paid residency or focused project for artists using Pd. A good amount of my own work on Pd and libpd has been sponsored in many of these ways and has helped encourage me to continue.

This is likely to be more positive toward the community as a whole than banging back and forth on the list or the forum. Besides, I'd rather see cool projects made with Pd than keep talking about working on Pd.

That being said, I know everyone here wants to see the project continue and improve and it will. We are still largely opening up the development and figuring how to support/maintain it. As with any such project, this is an ongoing process.

Out

Ok, that was long and rambly and it's way past my bed time.

Good night all.

Hey everyone,

I wasn't sure where to post this, but I wrote a little bash script to make my mouse input ctrl+e only when purr-data is running.

In the hopes that this makes someone else's life a little easier, here's the script- you just need to bind it to your chosen mouse button using xbindkeys. (xbindkeys -k will pop open a little window where you can find out which button you're trying to assign, xev also works, but you'll need to download it as well) You'll also need to download xdotool if you don't have it already. I've included an xbindkeys config file as well.

note that you'll need to replace "purr-data" in the script at line S1='"purr-data"' with whatever the class of the windows are for the version of pd you're running. you can find this by running xprop in a terminal and clicking on pd, there should be a line with WM_CLASS. The text you want is what's in quotations after the third space in that line. The script will look for those quotation marks, so make sure you include them between the ticks!

If you're running purr-data and the button on your mouse you want to assign is somehow b:2, then this will work out of the box as long as you make the script executable and run xbindkeys -f /path/to/~xbindkeysrc

I know I've done a shoddy job explaining this, so please feel free to contact me if you want to get it working! I know it's saved me a lot of reaching to my keyboard when I'm disconnecting and connecting and testing things.~xbindkeysrc purr-data_editmodetoggle.sh

I wanted to build PD on Windows 10 to get ASIO support. I failed when I used the "Source" files from the PD website. I succeeded when I used source that I cloned from Github. I followed the same instructions from the wiki both when I failed and when I succeeded. (They are the same as in the manual, just a little more concise.)

I am sharing below my terminal output from the failed build attempts from the downloaded source code (the tar.gz file). Some of these messages suggest that there might be errors in the makefiles. I don't know anything about makefiles, so I can't really interpret the errors. But I did want to pass them along, in case a developer might find them useful. Here you go:

bhage@LAPTOP-F1TU0LRH MINGW64 /c/Users/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4
$ ./autogen.sh
libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/config/config.guess'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/config/config.sub'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/config/install-sh'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
libtoolize: linking file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
configure.ac:166: warning: The macro `AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN' is obsolete.
configure.ac:166: You should run autoupdate.
aclocal.m4:8488: AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN is expanded from...
configure.ac:166: the top level
configure.ac:166: warning: AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN: Remove this warning and the call to _LT_SET_OPTION when you
configure.ac:166: put the 'dlopen' option into LT_INIT's first parameter.
../autoconf-2.71/lib/autoconf/general.m4:2434: AC_DIAGNOSE is expanded from...
aclocal.m4:8488: AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN is expanded from...
configure.ac:166: the top level
configure.ac:167: warning: The macro `AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL' is obsolete.
configure.ac:167: You should run autoupdate.
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configure.ac:167: the top level
configure.ac:167: warning: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL: Remove this warning and the call to _LT_SET_OPTION when you
configure.ac:167: put the 'win32-dll' option into LT_INIT's first parameter.
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configure.ac:167: the top level
configure.ac:168: warning: The macro `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL' is obsolete.
configure.ac:168: You should run autoupdate.
aclocal.m4:121: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:168: the top level
configure.ac:182: warning: The macro `AC_HEADER_STDC' is obsolete.
configure.ac:182: You should run autoupdate.
../autoconf-2.71/lib/autoconf/headers.m4:704: AC_HEADER_STDC is expanded from...
configure.ac:182: the top level
configure.ac:213: warning: The macro `AC_TYPE_SIGNAL' is obsolete.
configure.ac:213: You should run autoupdate.
../autoconf-2.71/lib/autoconf/types.m4:776: AC_TYPE_SIGNAL is expanded from...
configure.ac:213: the top level
configure.ac:235: warning: The macro `AC_CHECK_LIBM' is obsolete.
configure.ac:235: You should run autoupdate.
aclocal.m4:3879: AC_CHECK_LIBM is expanded from...
configure.ac:235: the top level
configure.ac:276: warning: The macro `AC_TRY_LINK' is obsolete.
configure.ac:276: You should run autoupdate.
../autoconf-2.71/lib/autoconf/general.m4:2920: AC_TRY_LINK is expanded from...
m4/universal.m4:14: PD_CHECK_UNIVERSAL is expanded from...
configure.ac:276: the top level
configure.ac:168: installing 'm4/config/compile'
configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'

bhage@LAPTOP-F1TU0LRH MINGW64 /c/Users/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4
$ autoupdate
configure.ac:182: warning: The preprocessor macro `STDC_HEADERS' is obsolete.
  Except in unusual embedded environments, you can safely include all
  ISO C90 headers unconditionally.
configure.ac:213: warning: your code may safely assume C89 semantics that RETSIGTYPE is void.
Remove this warning and the `AC_CACHE_CHECK' when you adjust the code.

bhage@LAPTOP-F1TU0LRH MINGW64 /c/Users/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4
$ ^C

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    pd 0.51.4 is now configured

    Platform:             MinGW
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    Universal build:      no
    Localizations:        yes
    Source directory:     .
    Installation prefix:  /mingw64

    Compiler:             gcc
    CPPFLAGS:
    CFLAGS:               -g -O2 -ffast-math -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -O3
    LDFLAGS:
    INCLUDES:
    LIBS:                 -lpthread

    External extension:   dll
    External CFLAGS:      -mms-bitfields
    External LDFLAGS:     -s -Wl,--enable-auto-import -no-undefined -lpd

    fftw:                 no
    wish(tcl/tk):         wish85.exe
    audio APIs:           PortAudio ASIO MMIO
    midi APIs:            PortMidi


bhage@LAPTOP-F1TU0LRH MINGW64 /c/Users/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4
$ make
CDPATH="${ZSH_VERSION+.}:" && cd . && /bin/sh '/c/Useras/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4/m4/config/missing' aclocal-1.16 -I m4/generated -I m4
configure.ac:170: error: AC_REQUIRE(): cannot be used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
configure.ac:170: the top level
autom4te: error: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
aclocal-1.16: error: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
make: *** [Makefile:451: aclocal.m4] Error 1

bhage@LAPTOP-F1TU0LRH MINGW64 /c/Users/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4
$ make app
CDPATH="${ZSH_VERSION+.}:" && cd . && /bin/sh '/c/Users/bhage/Downloads/pd-0.51-4/m4/config/missing' aclocal-1.16 -I m4/generated -I m4
configure.ac:170: error: AC_REQUIRE(): cannot be used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
configure.ac:170: the top level
autom4te: error: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
aclocal-1.16: error: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
make: *** [Makefile:451: aclocal.m4] Error 1

It's hard to tell without knowing your setup. OS? Hardware?

I run PD vanilla on xubuntu 20.?? (latest LTS) and an external sound card/mixer (cheap behringer). I can get audio both with and without jack

If I set up PD to run just with ALSA (no jack) and I have some other programs running that are using the sound card (like a browser or whatever) PD will tell me:

ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory
ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory

However, closing my browser and/or other programs that route sound through ALSA solves this

Using jack instead gives me the advantage of running other DAW software along side PD and route both midi and audio back and forth between them (non jack programs will be silenced), but jack has to be set up properly for the server to run without dropouts (select the correct soundcard, buffer size etc in settings), or even start at all. For this purpose I use qjackctl, which is a GUI control panel for the jack server- should be in your distro's repositories.

The errors you get with jack simply states that the jack server is not running- it has to be started manually. You can do that with a command from your terminal or get the qjackctl software for the GUI (which I reckon you will prefer as a windows convert). Run: sudo apt install qjackctl from your terminal to install it if you are using a debian based distro (*ubuntu, mint et al)

@pluxite In linux and probably OSX you can use ggee's shell external to run xdotool getmouselocation, just bang it with a metro. It's output is not fun to parse and limitations of ggee/shell mean it will be easier to just write a simple bash script like eval $(xdotool getmouselocation --shell), echo $X $Y, call this script (using the full path) instead of the command itself and you get a simple list of xy coordinates. xdotool can also do other fun things like send mouse or keyboard commands to other windows or screens.

Edit: Not sure what I was thinking, the heat must be getting to me, much simpler. Separating two commands with a comma fails with ggee/shell since it sends them too quickly, the first command is not done when the second arrives and it also opens a new shell for the second command so even with a delay the $X and $Y variables will not be set in this new shell. Simple solution is just to replace the comma with &&, now it is a single command, the echo command is only executed if the first succeeds.