If non-Vanilla externals are ok: zexy/urn
Otherwise for example:
random-wo-repitition.pd
(not cheap!)
With that for example:
https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/14522/is-it-possible-to-group-different-soundfiles-in-only-one-message/2

[list-find] from list-abs library

What are you referring to by normalize action?
normalize message to an array?
Pd is deterministic! See 2.control.examples/08.depthfirst.pd

@oid said:

this won't work if you have more than one instance of the middle abstraction

I knew I was missing sth.

Can we do

[savestate]
/
[route menusave]
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[menusave(
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[sendcanvas]

using the right outlet bang of [savestate] in the middlepatch, then [savestate] in the child as intended.

I agree with @alexandros init state should work, but in an abstraction it doesn't.

if this is the case maybe you could do a work around by sending dirty message to the middle patch, similar to how I did there:
https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/15732/how-to-save-restore-multiple-0-array-abstractions-in-a-patch/4 maybe with metro instead of ping, this way you get asked to save before closing.

[namecanvas $0-parent]

[loadbang]
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[1(
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[metro 20000|
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[dirty 1 (
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[s $0- parent]

@witteruis ctrl+click on the red error line to find the error.
Read here below Fig. 2.1.7 https://msp.ucsd.edu/Pd_documentation/resources/chapter2.htm

[osc~] [osc~]
|      |
[max~   ]

or with [min~], this switches the signals themselfs

Decision of using control-rate or signal-rate basicly depends on where the trigger is coming from: signal-rate or control-rate?
(this is the short answer)

I'm not clear on what value "le+23" is meant to indicate.

1e+23 is just a very big number (+ - 1e+32 is Pd's 32-bit single precision space). By multiplying the output of [rzero~ 1] to extremes, then clipping with [clip~ -2 0], turns it into a boolean, either -2 or 0.

Here is @jameslo's example of sigrate flipflop https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/13918/signal-logic-clocks-division-and-sequences/4
rpole~version should be drop-in replacement.

I tried those

please share your patch

https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/15750/audio-rate-flipflop

Now looking at this years later, in hope that I don't miss the point again:

@ddw_music said:

This naïve approach to timestamps will work only if there is ever only one pending message. If the sender spits out 5 OSC messages with different future timestamps, only the last message will be available in [list store].

The reason for this is that there are only one [delay] and [list store] for several messages.
Haven't tested but I think this works: clone [del] and [list store], and feed the clone with

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[list prepend next]
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[list trim]
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EDIT: looking further, haven't tried this neither, but in osc lib, which contains [unpackOSC], is also [pipelist].

connect the $1 to inlet~ instead of pow~

inlet~ helpfile

Connect [f $1] to [inlet~].
Or use [sig~ $1] ? Not sure what you want to do?

Try to undestand the patch and read the manual, esp. 2 control.examples / 08.depthfirst.pd

Vanilla's Changelog (don't know if this is complete):
https://msp.ucsd.edu/Pd_documentation/resources/chapter5.htm

You probably used Pd-Extended 15 years ago!?
Extended is discontinued, but you can add libraries to Vanilla.
There is 'Deken' now: Pd-menu > help > find externals online .
There is also this website of Deken, which helps to find missing objects: deken.puredata.info
So [init] is part of IEMlib.
But is also easily replaceble as Vanilla abstraction:

[loadbang]
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[args 0(
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[pdcontrol]
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[list trim] [inlet]
|/
[outlet]

pdcontrol did not exist 15 years ago.
All Vanilla objects: help > list of all objects

And there is the compatibility message to revert Vanilla to an old version:
[;pd compatibility 0.52(

see message-helpfile > pd-messages

There have been many many improvements to Pd, intelligent patching for example.
And documentation also improved a lot!

It has been a big shift when Pd went from 32 to 64 bit. In this transition some libraries have not been updated and I think it has been that time where Extended discontinued. You can still download it and run your old patches there ...

EDIT: more on finding externals or abstractions:
https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/15770/harmonic-amplification/4

@jamcultur I can reproduce this. Feels like a bug but I think it is the nature of abstractions saving confilicting with the array saving.
As workaround we can do our own array saving with [savestate]

arrayabs.pd
arrayabsopenthis.pd

@Balwyn said:

anything else opens the spigot

would be this:

in your patch only floats open the spigot

Maybe the answer is in this video of Millers classes at 1:04:00
https://msp.ucsd.edu/syllabi/206.20s/movies/5b.may1.mp4
sorting starts at 59:19:15
overview: https://msp.ucsd.edu/syllabi/206.20s/index.htm

A comma in a message means "now comes another message"
so [1, 2(
is the same as
[t b b]
| |
[2( [1(

So you could separate your two messages to subpatch with a comma instead of writing ;subpatch again. (where the semicolon means "send to")

@jameslo And when filtering zero, there are different timings at different samplerates and dsp on/off also differs.
At 48kHz samplerate and dsp off, lowest is 4 ms but very very rarely goes as low as 2.66667 ms.

slider-min-update-rate-nonzero.pd

@jameslo wtf I expected 64 samples. It can go down to zero:
slider-min-update-rate.pd

Is this related related? [Pd-list] pd-gui update rate (2011)
https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-list@lists.iem.at/thread/NFL5EIGEJQII7G5X5FXGM2WXDM6W4263/#KJSQGTRBJVBZGMQPHFYRGYBQXN7GSOZL