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In Max/MSP, you can set a message's content by sending it to the right inlet. In pd, at present, [prepend set] and sending that to the left inlet works, but the console warns that [prepend] is considered deprecated, and that one should use [list prepend] instead. Then you have to use [list trim] to remove the 'list' from the start.

If a pd user wants to store a message, and then send it with a bang, in Max/MSP this is done via a single object. With pd, and with prepend being deprecated, and list requiring trim, what can be done easily with a single message in Max/MSP now requires a message and two objects, and wiring them together.

Is there some reason why storing and forwarding messages this way is considered bad practice? And what should I be doing? (I'm porting some Max patches to pd at the moment.)

And out of curiosity, how hard would it be to modify pd so that messages have a right inlet which functions as a shortcut for ([list prepend set] -> [list trim] -> first inlet of message)?

Thanks for your advise about the clock method. As this is quite important, this information should be given somewhere (In externs/dspobj~.c which comes with pd for example)

What are own inlets? Is a second inlet~ already an own inlet?
Can you point me to the source of [pack]? (Couldn't find a file "pack.c" or similar in pd's repository on github.)

Do I have to free memory I allocated myself with malloc?
(I just started with C (coming from Python), so I'm still unsure about how things work exactly.)

To leave a working example, here's my corrected code:

#include "m_pd.h"

static t_class *maximum_tilde_class;

typedef struct _maximum_tilde {
    t_object    x_obj;
    t_float     f;
    t_clock*    m_clock;    
    t_inlet*    x_in1;
    t_outlet*   f_out;
    t_atom      at[2];
} t_maximum_tilde;

t_int maximum_tilde_tick(t_maximum_tilde *x) {
    outlet_list(x->f_out, &s_list, 2, x->at);
}

t_int *maximum_tilde_perform(t_int *w)
{   
    t_maximum_tilde *x = (t_maximum_tilde *)(w[1]);
    t_sample    *in1 = (t_sample *)(w[2]);
    int            n = (int)(w[3]);

    float max[] = { 0,-1 };
    float abs_val =  0;

    for (int i = 0; i < n; i++) {
        abs_val = fabs(in1[i]);
        if (abs_val > max[0]) {
            max[0] = abs_val;
            max[1] = i;
        }
    }

    SETFLOAT(x->at, (t_float)max[0]);
    SETFLOAT(x->at + 1, (t_float)max[1]);
    clock_set(x->m_clock, 0.f);

    return (w + 4);
}

void maximum_tilde_dsp(t_maximum_tilde *x, t_signal **sp)
{
    dsp_add(maximum_tilde_perform, 3, 
        x,
        sp[0]->s_vec,
        sp[0]->s_n);
}

void *maximum_tilde_new(t_floatarg f)
{
    t_maximum_tilde *x = (t_maximum_tilde *)pd_new(maximum_tilde_class);

    x->f_out = outlet_new(&x->x_obj, &s_list);
    x->m_clock = clock_new(x, (t_method)maximum_tilde_tick);

    return (void *)x;
}

void init_maximum(void) {
    maximum_tilde_class = class_new(gensym("max~"),
        (t_newmethod)maximum_tilde_new,
        0,
        sizeof(t_maximum_tilde),
        CLASS_DEFAULT,
        A_DEFFLOAT, 0);

    class_addmethod(maximum_tilde_class,
        (t_method)maximum_tilde_dsp, gensym("dsp"), 0);
    CLASS_MAINSIGNALIN(maximum_tilde_class, t_maximum_tilde, f);
}

void helloworld_setup(void) {
    init_maximum();
}

Hi,

I try to write an external, which sends a list to an outlet.

The following code is an example of calculating the maximum of a signal and send the maximum and it's index to the outlet.
But line 30 outlet_float(x->f_out, (max[0], max[1]) ); does only send one value to the outlet.
How can I achieve to send lists?

Thanks for help in advance,
Xaver

#include "m_pd.h"

static t_class *maximum_tilde_class;

typedef struct _maximum_tilde {
    t_object  x_obj;
    t_sample d;
    
    t_inlet*x_in1;
    t_outlet*f_out;
} t_maximum_tilde;

t_int *maximum_tilde_perform(t_int *w)
{   
    t_maximum_tilde *x = (t_maximum_tilde *)(w[1]);
    t_sample    *in1 = (t_sample *)(w[2]);
    int            n = (int)(w[3]);

    float max[] = { 0,-1 };
    float abs_val =  0;

    for (int i = 0; i < n; i++) {
        abs_val = fabs(in1[i]);
        if (abs_val > max[0]) {
            max[0] = abs_val; 
            max[1] = i;
        }
    }

    outlet_float(x->f_out, (max[0], max[1]) );
    return (w + 4);
}

void maximum_tilde_dsp(t_maximum_tilde *x, t_signal **sp)
{
    dsp_add(maximum_tilde_perform, 3, 
        x,
        sp[0]->s_vec, data forum
        
        sp[0]->s_n);
}

void maximum_tilde_free(t_maximum_tilde *x)
{
    inlet_free(x->x_in1);   
}

void *maximum_tilde_new(t_floatarg f)
{
    t_maximum_tilde *x = (t_maximum_tilde *)pd_new(maximum_tilde_class);
    x->f_out = outlet_new(&x->x_obj, &s_list);
    return (void *)x;
}


void init_maximum(void) {
    maximum_tilde_class = class_new(gensym("max~"),
        (t_newmethod)maximum_tilde_new,
        0,//(t_method)maximum_tilde_free,
        sizeof(t_maximum_tilde),
        CLASS_DEFAULT,
        A_DEFFLOAT, 0);

    class_addmethod(maximum_tilde_class,
        (t_method)maximum_tilde_dsp, gensym("dsp"), 0);
    CLASS_MAINSIGNALIN(maximum_tilde_class, t_maximum_tilde, d);
}

void helloworld_setup(void) {
    init_maximum();
}

Lurked for a while, first post now.

I've been using Max/MSP pretty heavily since last December, and I've fallen in love with the visual coding paradigm. For a variety of reasons PD appeals to me more than Max (though I did get used to the bells and whistles). I've replaced all my hardware effects (loopers, stompboxes, synths, sequencers) with max patches, and I'd be comfortable enough making the same over again in PD, but I'm having trouble translating a few objects that I relied on heavily in Max.

Umenu is a big one, the ability to receive numbers and output corresponding text comes in handy with scripting lots of objects, and routing sends and receives. It's ease of populating, rewriting, and deleting of entries makes many complex tasks easily manageable. It also functions as a great label when I hid things away. I suspect there's an equivalent method, but nothing leaps out. Should I be looking at some sort of coll type object? Struct?

In the DSP realm, I'm a little worried not to see Rate~ or some analog of it. I use phasor~ to control my loops, and Rate~ works magic on polymetric sequences. I could probably rig up a similar system scaling and wrapping a signal, but straight up Rate would be best.

In order to be able to slot effects in and out of different parts of the signal chain, I've been using combinations of bpatchers and polys, with scripting to switch between different stompbox abstractions. I found the graph on parent option, but it doesn't seem (at least not obviously) that I can use scripting on it to call up different subpatches. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think those three might just cover it (at least for the time being). I've found the externals pulled from the max library to be an amazing resource, and between overlapping objects, manuals, and the answers on this forum most of what I need to know is readily available. If those objects lack analogs in PD I may just bite the bullet and get into java/c/python...at the moment I have no experience with text based programming, but I'm just looking for an excuse, really.

I'll be hitting the manuals cover to cover as best I can in the morning, but I'd be glad to have my patches running sooner all the same.

All help is much appreciated.

Aa

hey az

i get these errors...it doesnt want to link

error: [glsl_fragment]: shader not loaded
linking: link 9.80909e-45 7.00649e-45
linking: link 9.80909e-45 1.12104e-44
[glsl_program]: Info_log:
[glsl_program]: linking with uncompiled shader
[glsl_program]: Link failed!
[glsl_vertex]: Vertex_shader Hardware Info
[glsl_vertex]: ============================
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_VERTEX_ATTRIBS: 16
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_VERTEX_UNIFORM_COMPONENTS_ARB: 4096
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_VARYING_FLOATS: 64
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_COMBINED_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS: 32
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_VERTEX_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS: 16
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS: 16
[glsl_vertex]: MAX_TEXTURE_COORDS: 8

Here is my experience...

im learning pd before i buy max/msp , since pd is a lot like max but free and there is a whole lot more documentation on PD than max, and the people who developed PD are the same people developing MAX (from what ive read) i figured id learn PD before buying MAX.

This has a lot to do with me buying Reaktor 5 before i learned programming and hated myself for years for that and ended up using the library and almost never opened reaktor after that.

After about 3 or 4 months of annoying reading on PD im on my way to building my first FM synthesis drum machine so yay! i dont feel so stupid now and studying on PD is making me understand Reaktor 5 so im guessing itll help me with max/msp as well.

so take it from someone who made an idiotic choice on purchasing software about 2 years ago based on who is using it, being a fan of richard devine and datachi and electroacoustic music.
Software wont make you sound great only studying hard will.
PD is a great place to start and im guessing itll be a great place to stay...

hope this helps.

Hello everyone!

Ever since i started using pure data and discovered csound, reaktor 5, max msp, arduinos and supercollider, ive been flirting with the idea of pursuing a career in Systems Engineering to develop my own software but im not sure if its the right career choice since i want to program software for audio purposes, so ive considered something like electroacoustic music since all the schools that teach this, teach Csound or Max/Msp but i dont want to deal with the music theory im only interested in the technology-programming-acoustic-audio part so im a bit confused.

ive been doing all the research for myself for acoustics, digital audio and visual programming languages like pure data, max/msp or reaktor and id love to tackle Csound as well but i feel but i feel it will take me forever to fully understand and even more to build what i want.

so my question is

how much would a career in systems engineering would help me to program audio effects or audio software??

i really need help here....

i tried the max/msp for a while years ago, mostly for doing live sampling thingies. lately i took the bull by the horns and managed to build the same kinda things in pd. yes, it was a little hard at first, but this forum turned out to be a great resource. after all, the documentation seems to be the hardest part of pd... or to find out about the existence of all extensions in the first place..

the vst support, or more the unsupport (i'm using osx) seemed like a big deal first. but i got around it eventually. and realized that the basic delay, reverb, bit crusher, filters etc can be done very easily with basic extensions. and using vst's wasn't that easy in max/msp either (i'm talkin version 4 here...)

actually, if you plan to do mostly vst/au-heavy systems, plogue bidule might be worth checking out.

i do miss some of the fancier gui things in max, the waveform displays for example. but i managed to build a replacement in pd, it's a little funky but it works.

personally i've found pd to be at least as stable as max/msp.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "less professional." If you're saying it might be less suited for professional use, I would have to disagree. I have actually found Pd-extended to be more stable than Max 5. The differences in sound quality are generally negligible, if at all noticeable. And there are few things that one can do that the other can't (and they *both* have their advantages over the other). They are both great pieces of software, and you can probably get them both to do what you need them to do. Max is a commercial product, but that doesn't necessarily make it better suited for professional use. It just makes it commercial software.

The only thing that I've found that Max hands-down does better than Pd is the gui. But, really, it's not that big of a deal, because the gui offerings in Pd give you what you need to function. Most of the stuff in Max is eye candy that you end up wasting a lot of time working on. There are very few instances where the gui is actually very important to the functionality of the patch.

Max also has ReWire capabilities (one of the advantages of being commercial), but they are so buggy and the implementation is so crappy that it is hardly usable. David Zicarelli himself even said, in so many words, that ReWire sucks.

As far as famous artists go, keep in mind that Max has a longer history than Pd and so has has a bit of a foothold in this area. And, more importantly, it is a commercial product. You're likely to find a list of famous people using just about any commercially successful product because the advertising department knows it will get people to buy it. They find out if an artist has used it, even if only for a small part of one track, and then the go around saying, "Hey, Aphex Twin uses Max. You should buy it if you want to be like him."

As someone who has both programs, I can say this: Max/MSP/Jitter is not $800 better than Pd-extended. It's not even $250 better (which is the student discount price). And if you really must go for Max, the transition from Pd is not hard at all. I would at least say play with Pd for a while and decide if it's a paradigm that you really enjoy. If you find that you need the extra goodies that Max has and Pd doesn't, then download the demo and see if it's worth it.