GEM interactive GUI, evaluation so far

I tried to translate one of my setups, SliceJockey, to a GEM GUI. But by now, when the work is almost done, the setup is full of not-so-ideal workarounds and I must conclude that it worked just more straightforward with Tk.

I won't completely give up on GEM, because it is fairly well possible that audio and control procedures in SliceJockey are somehow 'tuned' to the Tk GUI because they were developed there, and a setup developed with GEM right from the start may work smooth.

Anyway, I've noticed some characteristics of GEM which are sort of incompatible with the notion of a general GUI framework. GEM is optimally suited for motion graphics and video manipulation. It is efficient where Tk is slow, when it comes to updating the screen. But the other way round is also true. Rendering of static information is in some cases much easier with Pd Tk than GEM. Some GEM bottlenecks:

• good quality text rendering (crossplatform, with [text2d]): way too expensive

• plotting of static arrays like sample waveform: cumbersome and expensive

• separate Pd instances required for GEM and audio patches

GEM aspects which I find *very* attractive for GUI purpose:

• GEM window with all it's content can be created at any size, and thus accommodated to screen size

• fairly easy to set up an x-y pad with multiple objects of any shape or size

• fairly easy to animate objects in response to audio data

• option to create pictogrammed control objects

Katja

Since a while I design Pd patches in such a way that they can be operated from a touch screen. Bangs and toggles with ample size (50x50 pix), and in some cases a large x-y field where standard Tk GUIs can be moved around in runtime when they receive [pos x y( messages. Like a Kaoss pad, but now with dozens of effects and parameters available simultaneously.

Though I'm happy to see that Pd can be operated from a touch screen, layout options with the Tk GUIs are very limited of course. Therefore I now consider using GEM for interactive GUI purposes. Pictograms could be used to indicate controller types, and audio settings could be reflected not only with numbers, colors, or position, but also with motion. For example, a cogwheel represents a sample or loop, and it's rotation speed indicates playback speed. GEM could give more information on controller state than Tk objects, making the interface more intuitive. And certainly more inspiring!

But now comes my question. Where Tk GUIs are made for interaction and visualisation, GEM seems to be made for visualisation mainly. So far, I found no simple method to make clickable objects in a GEM window, replacing toggles and bangs for example. How can you prompt a graphical object in the GEM window to identify itself on click? Does anyone know of patches where GEM is employed for such purposes?

An example of a Tk-based touch interface which I'd like to translate to GEM is described here:

http://www.katjaas.nl/slicejockey/slicejockey.html

Thanks in advance for your suggestions,

Katja

Hey

Once again I'm back on vista. My brief journey to puredyne goes something like this.

from puredyne
partitioned new hard drive with 4 partitions 1-swap , 2 ext4 200Gib, 1 NTFS 200GB . Copied Vista to NTFS partition with gparted(started to do this with dd but with new Gibabits stuff I was skeered but hey a platter is a platter and a cluster is a cluster right). Actually there was a 5th partition in there which was the vista restoration partition but I eventually deleted it for obvious reasons.

Removed old drive ,
took machine to ethernet connection with internet,
booted to vista ,
installed Norton virus scanner - only 1 virus, 2 tracking cookies, and one gain trickler after over a year with no virus scanner, Thats pretty good and shows you can be selective about what you download and where you visit on the web and not get any viruses.

Was trying to get windows movie maker to work with mov codec which it doesnt.
Installed auto updates for the first and only time. this took about 3 hours and still needed to install service pack 1, 2. Aborted trying to update win movie maker

****Problem 1***** MS movie maker does not work with GEM mov video output codec.

Installed latest Nvidia drivers for vista.
Woohooo OpenGl hardware acceleration GEM works so much better in vista now.

*****Problem 2********ASIO for all does not allow 2 applications to run with audio and midi at the same time. If I wanted to run Widi and play my guitar so puredata can receive midi input from guitar ASIO will not allow it but ASIO for all is the only way I can get latency down so this would be feasible.

Got frustrated.

Installed fresh copy of puredyne onto 2nd ext4 partition.
ran puredata audio latency good with fresh install. gem video bad.

used synaptics to install nvidia drivers. v185 I think.
ran GEm error no opengl config.

downloaded gdeb , flash player, google chrome, nvidia drivers from nvidia site.
installed gdeb from terminal, flash and chrome from gdeb.
rebooted to log in as root and iunstalled nvidia drivers.

woohoo hardware acceleration for opengl

******problem 3************
gem works great but audio glitches with puredata window visible.
when only gem window is visible i can unaudioglitchily move the mouse around to control same parameters that would normaly be controled with sliders in pd window.

Seems like before i upgraded nvidia video drivers hw:do o whatever it is, was listed in JackD as realtek HD Audio, now it is listed as NVIDIA HD Audio.

So Gem works great but not when Pd window is open and I think my audio drivers were replaced with Nvidia.

I would really like to get back to my patch and stop wasting time on these operating systems and hardware configurations I thought in the last 15 years all this hardware acelleration and autodetection would be figured out but no all we got is rc.0, rc.01, rc.02, rc, etc...... instead of just rc.d.

Ok I'm getting an error when I exit puredyne that says pid file not found is jackd running. anyone know what that means?

Also does anyone have a keymap for gem keyboard for linux, windows and mac so I don't have to record them.

Any suggestions about what to do about my ASIO problems in windows?
Any suggestions about my audio driver in Linux?
Any suggestions about my GEM mov video / windows incompatibilities?

I can import the mov video and audio to SF Acid 3.0 and output a 2Gb avi then import it into windows movie maker but this is crazy to do for a 7 minute 12fps 320x240 video.

Ahhhhhhhhh!
Any suggestions are welcome!

PS I believe someone could rewrite puredata's audio and video interface in assembly language to control their hardware before figuring out how to get these operating systems to do it.

hi there,

I've got pd running fine for sounds but I'ld like Gem (for a reactable); but I've got this error at pd startup :
Gem: can't load library

I am with Fedora 10,

kernel :
$ uname -a
Linux hal 2.6.27.37-170.2.104.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 12 22:01:53 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

pd version :
$ yum info pd
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
Available Packages
Name : pd
Arch : i386
Version : 0.39.3
Release : 1.cvs.07.07.23.fc10.ccrma
Size : 5.9 M
Repo : planetccrma
Summary : Real-time patchable audio and multimedia processor.
URL : http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/
License : GPL
Description: Pd gives you a canvas for patching together modules that analyze,
: process, and synthesize sounds, together with a rich palette of
: real-time control and I/O possibilities. Similar to Max
: (Cycling74) and JMAX (IRCAM). A related software package named Gem
: extends Pd's capabilities to include graphical rendering.

Here is what pd tells when started with "pd" :

[import] $Revision: 1.2 $
[import] is still in development, the interface could change!
compiled against Pd version 0.41.4
couldn't open MIDI input device 0
couldn't open MIDI output device 0
opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).
libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $
compiled on Oct 27 2009 at 17:32:35
compiled against Pd version 0.41.4.extended
Gem: can't load library
libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'creb' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'cxc' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'iemlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'list-abs' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'mapping' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'markex' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'maxlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'memento' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'mjlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'motex' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'oscx' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pddp' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pdogg' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pixeltango' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'rradical' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'sigpack' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'smlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'toxy' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'unauthorized' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pan' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'freeverb' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'hcs' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'jmmmp' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'ext13' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'ggee' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'flib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'ekext' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'flatspace' to the global objectclass path
pdp: can't load library
pidip: can't load library

And here is part of what pd tells when started with "pd -verbose" :

libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $
compiled on Oct 27 2009 at 17:32:35
compiled against Pd version 0.41.4.extended
tried ./Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/share/fonts/bitstream-vera/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/zexy/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cxc/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/iemlib/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/list-abs/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mapping/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/jmmmp/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/memento/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mjlib/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/markex/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/oscx/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pddp/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdogg/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/motex/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pmpd/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/rradical/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/sigpack/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pixeltango/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/toxy/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/unauthorized/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pan/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/smlib/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/hcs/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/freeverb/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ext13/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flib/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ekext/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /home/zbl/pd-externals/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried ./Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/share/fonts/bitstream-vera/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/zexy/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cxc/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/iemlib/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/list-abs/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mapping/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/jmmmp/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/memento/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mjlib/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/markex/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/oscx/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pddp/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdogg/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/motex/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pmpd/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/rradical/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/sigpack/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pixeltango/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/toxy/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/unauthorized/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pan/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/smlib/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/hcs/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/freeverb/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ext13/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flib/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ekext/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/zbl/pd-externals/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried ./Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/share/fonts/bitstream-vera/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/zexy/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cxc/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/iemlib/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/list-abs/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mapping/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/jmmmp/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/memento/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mjlib/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/markex/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/oscx/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pddp/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdogg/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/motex/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pmpd/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/rradical/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/sigpack/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pixeltango/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/toxy/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/unauthorized/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pan/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/smlib/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/hcs/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/freeverb/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ext13/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flib/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ekext/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /home/zbl/pd-externals/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.l_i386 and failed
tried ./Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/share/fonts/bitstream-vera/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/zexy/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cxc/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/iemlib/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/list-abs/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mapping/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/jmmmp/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/memento/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mjlib/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/markex/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/oscx/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pddp/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdogg/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/motex/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pmpd/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/rradical/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/sigpack/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pixeltango/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/toxy/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/unauthorized/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pan/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/smlib/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/hcs/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/freeverb/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ext13/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flib/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ekext/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /home/zbl/pd-externals/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux and failed
tried ./Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/share/fonts/bitstream-vera/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/zexy/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/cxc/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/iemlib/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/list-abs/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mapping/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/jmmmp/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/memento/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/mjlib/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/markex/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/oscx/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pddp/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdogg/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/motex/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pmpd/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/rradical/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/sigpack/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pixeltango/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/toxy/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/unauthorized/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/pan/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/smlib/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/hcs/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/freeverb/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ext13/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flib/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/ekext/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /home/zbl/pd-externals/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem-meta.pd and failed
Gem: can't load library

I can't locate files like Gem-meta.pd or Gem.pd_linux on the computer;
I keep investigating, but any hint is welcome, thanks

hello,

i want to try the autobuild for pd-extended on osx (Pd-0.42.5-extended-macosx105-i386.dmg) and get the following error for GEM:

/Applications/Pd-0.42.5-extended-20091009.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.42.5-extended-20091009.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libjpeg.62.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-0.42.5-extended-20091009.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/../../lib/libtiff.3.dylib
Reason: image not found
Gem: can't load library

i tried to reference to a separately downloaded gem (0.92.1) via path, but pd won't see that at all.

any help much appreciated!

didnt know jack also worked for windows xp?

EDIT:just downloaded jack from the website,but i get all kinds of errors when i try to unzip?

! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Headers (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Headers --> Versions\Current\Headers)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Jackmp (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Jackmp --> Versions\Current\Jackmp)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Resources (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources --> Versions\Current\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
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apologies for being such an idiot and insulting your forum with my lowliness

I've been having lots of fun with puredata and want to start incorporating some images and possibly video into my stuff.

I have Pd extended - which apparently has GEM included, although I can fins no trace of it.
I've downloaded GEM for mac, but the instructions for installing it make no sense with what actually appears once it's downloaded. The instuctions:

"GEM under Mac OSX

* Download GEM for MacOSX
* Unpack"

All this is fine

"* copy folder content to your pd installation, under /gem
* copy or move Gem.PD_Darwin to PDs extra folder
* start with additional parameter -lib gem"

These are not fine for me..I don't appear to have a pd installation folder...just the app.
I also don't seem to have anything called Gem.PD_Darwin
I've tried about a million variations on the correct link in the startup menu of pd to load up GEM but it never works.
I'm a bit exasperated now...and desperate enough to show myself up as a muppet in front of you guys....pleeease can anyone help me out here?

btw I've been lurking for months and picked up many many wonderful tips and bits of advice on here, for which I thank you all.

This is what it shows when I first open Pd (without opening any patches):

libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $
written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>
compiled on Jul 29 2008 at 03:24:20
compiled against Pd version 0.40.3.extended
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin
Reason: image not found
Gem: can't load library
libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'creb' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'cxc' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'iemlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'list-abs' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'mapping' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'markex' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'maxlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'memento' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'mjlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'motex' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'oscx' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pddp' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pdogg' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pixeltango' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'rradical' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'sigpack' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'smlib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'toxy' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'unauthorized' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'pan' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'freeverb' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'hcs' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'jmmmp' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'ext13' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'ggee' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'flib' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'ekext' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'flatspace' to the global objectclass path
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin
Reason: image not found
pdp: can't load library
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin
Reason: image not found
pidip: can't load library

I see that it is saying "Gem: can't load library" so that probably explains why it isn't working, but I didn't delete anything since I first installed it. I could probably try re-installing it. Do you think that would do me any good, or should I try something else first?

latest news: Ive successfully installed pd-extended on Ubuntu , including Gem and other libraries ,
they all works well !!

thanks Sunji ,radiostarkiller,nestor and my friends Jun.

here's my whole process:

1,download and install the latest Ubuntu 8.10 intrepid , then update system up-to-date
2,download the right version for your sys , for me , choose pd-extended intrepid deb package , and just double click it and install , the deb package could auto-download and install the related files from your install source.
3,after install finished, you could run pd-extend from terminal. but here we met a new problem, cannot load Gem successful. // don't worry, we just leave little half step to rush the finishing line @@)
4,turn on terminal, update apt-get source : sudo apt-get update
5, still terminal : apt-get install gem // pd and Gem would be downloaded from you source ftp , after that , type "pd" in terminal , new pd running out it's window , but none libraries was loaded.(@#$%!@ Holy.!#$%)
6, this situation we met before, similar but actually very different. last time I installed 2 version of pd in different path, and make sys disorder . but this time , the same path. and what I've done is to uninstall pd in terminal : "sudo apt-get remove pd" ,
7, backing to the extended deb package we downloaded before, and install again.
8: run pd ... Gem and other packages loading successful !

conclusion: I guess maybe don't need so complex to work it out, the key point I think is to install Gem from source, and it would install any package that Gem must needed .

that's it

thanks again and enjoy pd@Linux now

--------------------------- OLD POST -----------------------------------------------

because less user on Mandriva , so I changed my sys to Ubuntu yesterday.
and here I met new prolbem for installing pd-extended for Ubuntu.

before I install pd-extended , I installed these packages first:

libasound2 (>> 1.0.12)
libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1)
libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.101.1)
dep: tcl8.4 (>= 8.4.5)
dep: tk8.4 (>= 8.4.5)

and when I run pd install , both Hardy and Gutsy that showed error here :
Gutsy ; Error:Dependency is not satisfiable: libgsl0
Hardy: Error:Dependency is not satisfiable: liblame0

I searched them in package manager , I thought they were both about the libraries that I've installed above.

thats it

hi
i was working on pd ext 0.39 without pb
and I recently I update to 0.40
and glaps! pd can't load any lib anymore (gem, zexy, etc.).
I'm working on mac osX 4 11...
anyone can help
thx
yeli

/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin
Reason: image not found
Gem: can't load library
cyclone: can't load library
zexy: can't load library
cxc: can't load library
ext13: can't load library

FFTease - A set of Live Spectral Processors
Originally written by Eric Lyon and Christopher Penrose for MAX/MSP

flext port (version 0.0.0) provided by Thomas Grill, (C)2003-2004

iemabs: can't load library
iemmatrix: can't load library
liblist: can't load library
markex: can't load library
maxlib: can't load library
memento: can't load library
mjlib: can't load library
motex: can't load library
oscx: can't load library
pddp: can't load library
pdogg: can't load library
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin
Reason: image not found
pdp: can't load library
/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib
Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin
Reason: image not found
pidip: can't load library
pixeltango: can't load library
pmpd: can't load library
rradical: can't load library
sigpack: can't load library
smlib: can't load library
toxy: can't load library
unauthorized: can't load library

VASP modular 0.1.4pre
vector assembling signal processor
(C)2002-2007 Thomas Grill

http://grrrr.org/ext

xsample objects, version 0.3.2pre

xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~
(C)2001-2007 Thomas Grill

/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/zexy/z~.pd_darwin: can't load library