thanks
but I use vanilla
and I also need to have it working on linux

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... couldn't create
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... couldn't create
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... couldn't create
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... couldn't create
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... couldn't create
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... couldn't create
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... couldn't create```

Hi folks,

This is going to be a weird and long post, because I am walking through my thinking as much as I am asking questions. Sorry for the length in advance.

I've recently become fascinated with the many possibilities afforded by the list-abs library, and what strikes me at is that [list-drip] seems to be at the heart of most of them. For those of you who don't know, [list-drip] works by separating (aka "dripping") an incoming list into its individual elements (atoms?). This allows you to do a bunch of operations on these elements before repacking them into a new list. For example, [list-compare] functions like [==] but for lists by checking each list's elements against each other to give out a binary yes or no answer. And of course, [list-drip] is at the core here.

I would like to really figure out the logic behind [list-drip], but the help file (well, really the abstraction itself) is deceptively simple. This is because [list-drip] itself is but an abstraction based on the clever use of [list-split] (which is not an abstraction but an external) and some strange binary math and triggering mechanisms that I don't understand.

Here's the [list-drip] extraction itself:

I'll just talk about this abstraction and ask questions along the way.

Here's the first part. Pretty simple. [trigger] is passing the entire list on, and then sending a bang. This seems weird but I've heard that pd will take care of all the operations starting at the right outlet of trigger first, so the bang is guaranteed to come after the list has been "dripped."

Here's the second part, where we have [list split] doing a binary "less than" operation on the list. "If the list is less than 2 elements long, it gets sent to the outlet and the [spigot] closes, else, open the spigot." This [trigger] then passes a copy of the list onto [spigot] which is either open or closed based on the above result.

Ok now here is where things start to get crazy. The list is now fed into two identical [list split] mechanisms with some weird math going on, which are also feeding back into the top of the second [trigger].

Let's break this down really quick:

First, we get the length of the list, then we feed it into [>> 1]. With some research in pd and the on the web, I come to the conclusion that we are basically dividing (integer division) by 2. This is setting the point for where [list split] outputs a list with only a certain number (but always half) of elements (using the first outlet). As I said before, this result is being fed back into the second [trigger].

So I think basically what's happening is this:

...where the rest of the list is either exactly half the total list length (if it's an even number) or half + 1 (if the total length is an odd number of elements).

So we have two "loops" going on here, where on operates on the first half of the list (will call this the "red" loop, and the other operates on the second "green loop".

Now in terms of trigger ordering, what is happening here? Are we constantly triggering the red loop until there are no more operations, and then moving on the green loop? And what does this mean in the context of the patch? I'm confused about how [trigger] acts in these situations with many nested loops.

To troubleshoot, I attached a print the outlets of both the red and green **[list split]**s, and sent the list [a b c d 1 2 3 4( to [list drip]. Here's the output from the console:

first half: symbol a
second half: symbol b
first half: list a b
first half: symbol c
second half: symbol d
second half: list c d
first half: list a b c d
first half: 1
second half: 2
first half: 1 2
first half: 3
second half: 4
second half: 3 4
second half: 1 2 3 4

To me this output looks like it was printed backwards. Is there some weird interaction between [trigger] and [print] going on?
Furthermore, how is the output of [list drip] organized so that each element is output in it's sequential order? How does the green loop know to wait for the red loop to finish?

Creates music scales using simple lists or by sending new pitches to individual notes. The more creation arguments there are, the more inlets there will be. It sends a frequency value through the 1st outlet and the unaltered midi value through the 2nd outlet.

• [muse 40 4 7]
  • Sending 0, 1, 2 returns 40, 44, 47 respectively.
  • The scale cycles through higher and lower octaves
    • 3, 4, 5 returns 52, 56, 59
    • -1, -2, -3 returns 35, 32, 28

functions:

• [list | l | d | x | i ..(
  • Takes a list of numbers and maps the values to the array.
  • Any non-numeric values are skipped over.
  • They're basically all the same function, with the differences being in their offsets and/or whether it should change the size of the scale implicitly based on list size.
    -- i is an implicit list, which changes the size of the scale based on the number of arguments specified.
    -- x is an explicit list, which means that it doesn't change the scale size because it's leaving that up to the user to change explicitly. This message is also good for changing the root note.
    -- list or l is the default list, and whether it interprets lists implicitly or explicitly is based on whether the toggle "exp" is set to 1 or 0. By default, lists are interpreted implicitly.
    -- d has an offset of 1. It's basically a short form of [list d ...( or, a list that skips the root note. Like a normal list, it also adheres to the "exp" toggle to determine whether it is implicit or explicit.

• [exp 1|0(
  • sets a boolean to determine whether or not scale size is implied in the size of lists sent.
  • if exp equals 1, scale size will not change, unless the list is preceded by i.
  • if exp equals 0, scale size will change, unless the list is preceded by x.

• [n $1(
  • sets the size of the scale.
    • the scale by default, with no creation arguments, is only 2 float values. This amount grows based on how many arguments are specified. but the array also resizes itself automatically to twice its original size whenever a size requested goes over the current maximum range.
    • the same doubling effect applies to lists with more arguments than the maximum scale size.
      -- [muse 40 2 4 5 7 9 11] has 7 floats worth of bytes reserved for the scale.
      -- upon receiving [n 16(, since 16 is greater than (7 x 2), scale is resized to hold 16 floats.
      -- upon receiving [n 17(, scale is resized to hold 32 floats. This doesn't mean the scale uses all 32 notes, but the space is now reserved if you ever decide to increase the scale size later.

• [set $2 $1(
  • scale is assigned the value $1 at index $2.
    -- [set 6 11( set the 6th interval to 11.

• [ref $1(
  • sets the reference pitch of middle A.
    -- default value is 440.

• [tet $1(
  • assign the number of tones in an octave.
    -- tones refer to how large a semi-tone needs to be in order to evenly disperse an octave into a specific amount of distinct pitches.

• [oct $1(
  • assign the number of notes in an octave.
    -- notes refer to the number of semi-tones that the scale should jump when going to the next or previous octave.

• [octet $1( / [ot $1(
  • assigns # of notes and # of tones simultaneously

• [peek label(
  • prints the current scale.
  • a label is optional.

• [ptr label(
  • prints the current size of the float pointer that your scale uses. It isn't necessarily the same size as the scale itself.

muse-chrd.zip

Sorry I'm getting errors, can you help me?
I've installed the montreal mtl library, but still I have too many objects missing

mtl/qompander~ /id compander
... couldn't create
mtl/clkMaster 120
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
[msgfile] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Sep 22 2010)
Copyright (l) 1999-2008 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
mtl/clkSlave 4 16
... couldn't create
mtl/kick808~
... couldn't create
mtl/clkSlave 1 4
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create
setting pattern to default: /home/leopard/Documenti/Music/_sperimentazioni/_PURE DATA/Bangboum/./moteur/*
mtl/player~
... couldn't create

I want to try VANILLA version because of the MIDI LOOP massages on some faders that I got, Ive read that on vanilla it will not happened.

When I load my PD in VANILLA I get this:
... couldn't create
udpreceive 8000
... couldn't create
import mrpeach
... couldn't create
routeOSC /MIXER /SEEK /FX /LOOPCUE /BROWSEPITCH /7 /9
... couldn't create
routeOSC /fader14 /fader15 /fader16 /fader17 /toggle13 /toggle14 /push12 /push11 /rotary21 /fader13 /rotary16 /fader5 /fader6 /fader10 /fader11 /fader12 /toggle12 /toggle11 /push9 /push10
... couldn't create
packOSC
... couldn't create
udpsend
... couldn't create
etc

when I import path to mrpeach that I copied from PD-EXTENDED I get:

consistency check failed: sys_decodedialog: \{+C:UsersmekonDesktoptouchoscprogramipd-0.42-5.mswpdextramrpeach\}

So how to import path properly?

didnt know jack also worked for windows xp?

EDIT:just downloaded jack from the website,but i get all kinds of errors when i try to unzip?

! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Headers (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Headers --> Versions\Current\Headers)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Jackmp (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Jackmp --> Versions\Current\Jackmp)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Resources (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources --> Versions\Current\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create ersions\Current\Headers
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Jackservermp
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Panda
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Panda.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Panda.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Headers
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Jackmp
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Headers
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Jackservermp
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Panda
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Panda.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Panda.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create

this is the errors i get.really love the GUI though:)

any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
[demultiplex] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Jun 4 2009)
Copyright (l) 1999-2008 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
[length] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Jun 4 2009)
Copyright (l) 1999-2008 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
[makesymbol] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Jun 4 2009)
Copyright (l) 1999-2008 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
getdollarzero 10
... couldn't create
wahwah~: an audio wahwah, version 0.1 (ydegoyon@free.fr)
expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
getdollarzero 10
... couldn't create
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
getdollarzero 10
... couldn't create
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
any2string 128 -1
... couldn't create
string2any
... couldn't create
getdollarzero 10
... couldn't create

for some reason, the list of error messages became even longer......

mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
init.post.dollarg
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
[makesymbol] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Feb 25 2009)
Copyright (l) 1999-2008 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
flow.@parse
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
init.dollar.zero.top
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
list.build
... couldn't create
[demultiplex] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Feb 25 2009)
Copyright (l) 1999-2008 IOhannes m zmölnig, forum::für::umläute & IEM
init.make.unique
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.length
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
wahwah~: an audio wahwah, version 0.1 (ydegoyon@free.fr)
expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License
mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
init.post.dollarg
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.@parse
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
init.dollar.zero.top
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
list.build
... couldn't create
init.make.unique
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.length
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
init.post.dollarg
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.@parse
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
init.dollar.zero.top
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
list.build
... couldn't create
init.make.unique
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.length
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
init.post.dollarg
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.@parse
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
init.dollar.zero.top
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
list.build
... couldn't create
init.make.unique
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.receive
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.split 1
... couldn't create
list.length
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
flow.send
... couldn't create
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu.
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'symbol'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'

i'd really love to check out, what you have build there!

wow, this looks cool! unfortunately i'm not getting it to work. when i open the patch i get the following error messages:

mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
param.group
... couldn't create
param.atom mastervol 80 0 120
... couldn't create
wahwah~: an audio wahwah, version 0.1 (ydegoyon@free.fr)
expr, expr~, fexpr~ version 0.4 under GNU General Public License
mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
param.group
... couldn't create
param.atom mastervol 80 0 120
... couldn't create
mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
param.group
... couldn't create
param.atom mastervol 80 0 120
... couldn't create
mix.switch.nice 101
... couldn't create
param.group
... couldn't create
param.atom mastervol 80 0 120
... couldn't create
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu.
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'

some instructions, how this beauty works would be nice too, since there are a bunch of buttons and sliders i don't have a clue about what they are doing. but i have to confess, it looks really amazing!

! -1
... couldn't create
iem_image 0 0 0 empty empty
... couldn't create
gems.win @dimen 1024 768 @border 0 @offset 1440 -50 @fps 30
... couldn't create
gems.win.feedback
... couldn't create
ch_gemwin
... couldn't create
iem_image 0 0 0 empty empty
... couldn't create
gems.win @dimen 1024 768 @border 0 @offset 1680 -50 @fps 30
... couldn't create
gems.win @dimen 800 800 @border 0 @offset 0 -50 @fps 30
... couldn't create
gems.win @dimen 1440 900 @offset 1440 -50 @border 0 @fps 60
... couldn't create
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu.
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float'