• oystersauce

    @whale-av thank you for that extensive answer! I will finally have a look at Purr Data and check out @yoichi_tbbb's awesome looking knob.
    I'm not looking for freeverb~ though. It's only what deken outputs in case it finds nothing for a search.

    By the time I posted this question I was already suspecting what you said about the various externals and the 64-bit versions.

    One thing is still irritating. When I enter a random search term in deken, it returns a proper "nothing-found-message" as you would expect. Try it. Type "sdjfhskdjfh" in the search box and deken will return almost immediately:

    [deken]: No matching externals found. Try using the full name e.g. 'freeverb'.
    

    But when I search an existing external's name, like "moonlib" for example then deken will not show a result but also never tell me it found nothing. That's confusing. It makes users wonder if something is broken with the search or if there's really nothing adequate in the repository. Don't you agree?

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  • oystersauce

    Hi,

    not sure if this is a bug. Don't wanna noobishly spam to the devs' bug reports pile but this needs to be clarified. Is it a deken issue or on the repository or what?

    Some searches for externals in the 64-bit version of PD vanilla for windows (I'm on windows 10) the deken search (in the menu: Help -> Find externals) don't return results while the same externals (in some cases) can found on the 32-bit version. Some externals are neither found in the 32- nor 64-bit version. Additionally - as a marker that something is wrong here - PD does not output the line

    [deken]: No matching externals found. Try using the full name e.g. 'freeverb'.
    

    which is the case for truly non-existing names (like searching "sdfsdfsdf").

    Example of external found as expected on 32- and 64-version:
    cyclone

    Example of external found as expected on 32- but NOT on 64-bit version:
    moonlib

    Example of external found neither on 32- or 64-bit version:
    apple

    What I'm most eager to find out is whether, say, the moonlib external is just not compiled for 64-bit windows and therefore is not found or whether it should be found and just isn't (which hints more towards a bug).

    Does anyone have an idea? I'm not completely new to PD but not up to date at all with its development. It seems the current version 0.49 vanilla is the first to have a 64-bit windows version.

    kind regards

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  • oystersauce

    @jameslo which bit version are you using?
    I find that the 64-bit versions (both from installer and zip) cause the issue on windows10 (checked on 3 machines now). the 32-bit version works as expected.

    I made a new observation: searching for moonlib "hangs" the search. no result is returned but also no message saying "no results found" - neither in the deken window, nor in the console.

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  • oystersauce

    @jameslo thanks for your reply. I updated deken without luck - latest version was already installed.

    BUT I found something intersting: with an older installation of pd 0.47 on the same computer it works! 0.49-1 has the issue on two different win10 machines. I'll make further investigations tomorrow. Could this be a bug? with which version did you try?

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  • oystersauce

    Hi,
    I'm working with pd vanilla on windows 10 and I'm trying to install the moonlib library to have gui-knobs.

    Now, deken doesn't show any results for "moonlib" (I successfully installed the cyclone library with deken, so I asume deken itself is not the problem here).

    I downloaded the "Source for all versions" from https://puredata.info/downloads/moonlib and added it to my externals folder, added the search-path but it's still not working. So I need to compile it? Is there a documentation on that somewhere?

    This thread from this forum https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/11436/libraries-that-doesn-t-load suggests that you use "libdir" but I cannot find information that truly explains how it works, the Project Description on the download page is also not helpful, or am I missing something. Deken doesn't list libdir for me either.

    (A thought that crossed my mind: Should I have gone with Purr-Data, which seems to be a quasi-successor of pd-extended?)

    I am highly grateful for any thoughts and hints. Links to matching documentation / tutorials are also highly appreciated - thank you!

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  • oystersauce

    @whale-av thanks for your answer. I'm not quite there yet but I'll get there eventually ;)

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  • oystersauce

    Hi all,

    patch.PNG

    could someone be so kind as to explain the workings of the lop~ object in this patch to me?
    This is a "simple" scrubbing bar that let's the user "scrub" through the loaded audio file by moving the horizontal slider. The lop~ was inserted to make this specific kind of "tape-start" / "tape-stop" effect that is familiar from some DAWs and DJing software.

    It's hard for me to even formulate a question properly but it revolves about the fact that a filter object that usually is used for frequency-domain tasks (for example filtering high frequencies out from an audio stream) in this case is used as a time-domain-effect, i.e. creating a certain start-up / slow-down effect. I can't get my head around this. What's also confusing / interesting is that when you monitor the number outputs from the line~ and the lop~ with a snapshot~ object every 1ms the lop~ will output different numbers for some time while the line~ has already stopped outputting anything. How come? What does that mean for when you actually use lop~ as a "classic" audio filter to low-pass, say, a mic input or instrument recording.

    I hope my question / confusion is somehow comprehensible. I am highly grateful for any explainations, preferably in layman's terms ;)

    oyster

    p.s.: the patch is from Andy Farell's super interesting lecture on Microsound - Granular Synthesis - Physical Modelling - Procedural Audio which I'm trying to follow along. youtube.com /watch?v=Qxqtc2bgDpw

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