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    The toxy library seems to be long dead. Is there any other way to get the debug output out of PD on Windows?

    In my case, I'm just trying to get more useful error messages than "receive~ input: no matching send". Any suggestions?

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    @danomatika Yes, I have a github account and I am planning on opening several issues. My plan is to let my initial impressions soak for a bit before I submit the bug reports; I want to make sure I'm touching on the most pressing issues and that I'm not missing anything obvious first. Thank you for the affirmation.

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    As a newcomer to Pure Data and the community, it is heartening to see users and developers coming together to figure out how to improve the state of the art. I can understand and appreciate both the perspective of experienced users who instinctively work around and grow accustomed to existing behaviors, and new users that encounter... unconventional behaviors and see them as warts that detract from the overall user experience.

    Within a few days of starting to use PD, I had created a text file called wtf_pd.txt with 17 annoyances that immediately jumped out at me in terms of UX. I've now figured out how to work around most of them, but I would very much like to address these problems, hopefully by getting accustomed with the coding standards of the project, submitting some PRs, and getting buy in from the development team. A perfect example being the fact that I can't resize the graph-on-parent canvas size by clicking and dragging, but have to enter in values manually in the properties dialog. Feels like editing HTML/CSS in the early 2000s :smiley:.

    At the end of the day, I think what we need to do is continue the discussion and work towards fixing these little papercuts over time. While individually they may be small, collectively they have a significant impact on the overall usability of the program. I do recognize, this being an open source project with finite resources, that these types of fixes rightfully take a back seat to stability and more severe bug fixes. But having discussions like these at least allows perspectives of new users to be heard, and eventually (hopefully) addressed as development cycles become available.

    I have so much enthusiasm for the future of PD because it's opened up a whole new paradigm for me as an artist and musician. It is my belief that there are many, many other artists out there who would come flocking to Pure Data if they recognized what it was capable of.

    My goal is to help bring PD to a wider audience by continuing to put myself in the shoes of new users, and to try my hand at contributing fixes wherever possible.

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