@MeneerJansen here is another very nice (not only) snare emulation patch from @mianmogra that you can download: https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/12015/mymembrane-acoustic-drum-synthesizer

just realized that i do not need to create a struct and plot object for changing float-array settings (color/linewidth/style) because they are already there (hidden).
arraypointertest.pd

@ingox i also discovered the pointer outlet just recently. [text define] has a pointer outlet too. first time i saw data structures with text was in a demo patch from @jancsika https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/8836/dictionary-object-in-pd-extended/26

@ingox a bit off-topic - this way you can change data structure settings of an array without dynamic patching (just discovered it with the help from your [colarray] patch). still needs the array pointer, so you need to click [array define] for showing the array:
arraypointertest.pd
@whale-av i also wondered about that. i am not sure what Miller means with "alternative anonymous access" and would like to know it.
but if i remember right it is not implemented yet...
for data structures there is kind of a wild card, something like [set -] and [get -]. perhaps the "alternative anonymous access" has to do with that, but i am absolutely not sure.

@ingox interesting hack.
@whale-av it seems that messages are received from both, but [array set] sends only to the object that was created first.

@whale-av you are right. the list is sent to the object that was created first, whether the graphical representation or [array define] but no multiply define message.

@ingox thanks. so it seems that everything that is possible with [array define] except sending the array pointer, is also possible with sending messages to the graphical representation. but it is not possible to have [array define] and the graphical representation at the same time ( multiply defined).
@whale-av just hoping for a neater solution but now i think it is fine like it is (i assume the array pointer is not needed very often).

@whale-av something like this? that is what i used so far...
arraydefinedisplay.pd

@whale-av thanks. and sorry, i asked wrongly (but also good to know the map message). i wanted to know if it is possible to show an [array define] array as graph on parent (like with a table).

is it possible to display an [array define] array constantly (without clicking on it)? or do i need to send the values to a [table] for displaying the array?