I have been experimenting with Integra recently (http://www.integralive.org/) because I had the idea that it could allow me to switch between "scenes" containing my pd patches live and therefore save processor power...currently I run this massive performance patch in pd, and since all the parts are there are loaded all the time, even if they are not being used, they are consuming processor power.

There are a couple of strange things though, and I wonder if anyone else has experienced this, or is testing this pretty interesting new platform:

1. firstly, it comes with a built-in version of pure data with it
I guess the first question is, will this cause conflicts with the already installed version I have on my machine?

2. secondly, the hosted version that comes with Integra is wierd...it seems to be Pd Extended rather than Vanilla, but it hasnt got much in the way of libraries. So I copied the libraries I wanted from my other Pd installation over and added them in the startup paths and tried also in the other library loader window (dont know the real name for this, the bigger field above the startup path area, where you can make paths to other files) but the libraries do not load, and therefore the objects I need do not create.

however, if I use the object [import] they do...

but obviously it would be an awkward hassle to have to use this everytime, since I would like to try and implement some already build and totally complex patches...

any suggestions how I can get my stable of libraries installed in this version that comes along with Integra?

3. actually a related question is, is there anyway to install mulitple libraries at the same time? for example, using ""the bigger field above the startup path area" I mentioned earlier? it doesnt seem to be working in this version that came with Integra...

4. if any other integra users are on here, do you know a way of pointing Integra's integrated pd thing to my own pd installation, so it runs that instead of the one that came bundled with it?

sorry its complex, and yes, I am posting on their forum too...
I wonder if anyone else here is testing this thing, it seems pretty interesting.
Jorge

ugh...unfortunately I have discovered the answer to my first question...
yes, the second installation of Pd (that came with Integra) now somehow seems to be stopping my original version of Pd from loading most of the libraries from Pd-extended...including all of GEM, and ugh, everything...

what I need to understand is how to get rid of this new version and associate Integra with the Pd version I had in the first place....there should be a way to do this, but I am not seeing it

right now this is just a mess
none of my things are working

ok, so I understand now, Pd developers have done this on purpose, ha ha (thanks!)...in case anyone else encounters the same issue I will post what I found on the list here, from Maelstorm (http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-8112-install-externals-libraries-gui-plug-ins-etc)

"In Pd-extended 0.43, you can't add paths from within Pd any more like you used to. You can open the preferences and add a path, but it won't save it. This means that non-default libraries won't load on start-up any more; you have to load them from within the patch. While this sounds like a hassle, it does have the advantage that patches are much easier to share. You don't have to worry about others having different start-up settings than you. It also forces the patch to document what libraries are being used, so if an object isn't loading, you don't have to go on some crazy hunt to find out where it came from or what it's supposed to do."

This is why [import] was working for me on the level on an individual patch but not from the global level...so its not really an integra issue, but rather a change in how pd is dealing with libraries internally in 0.43 (I admit, I had the previous version because it was so stable for me)

I just wonder why they chose to make so few of the libraries load by default...

well, anyway now to try and sort this out so I can test some more complex Integra modules...

but its going to make a mess because I will need to go through older patches and add [declare] or [import] to all of them...adding zexy, cyclone, etc etc etc...

unless I am missing something I guess I will have to do this, right?

J