I apologize for being such a noob, I've been playing with pure data for years now and I still don't have a grasp on sequencing.

I've been using the tables and metro objects, after the youtube tutorial. but I find they actually don't work out so well, it seems there is a good chance I will lose the ability to read some data off of tables after adding new messages to them. I made sure Im pretty that sure I was adding the message data to the table in the right order, and the patch worked fine initially, only after changing the message data did I start having problems where the sequences were only halfway incorrect.

here is a picture of what I need (I imagine this must look so simple to a lot of you on the board):

A is the tempo with selectable ratio
B and C are my "sequencers"

is there something in the "doc" folder I can try to substitute to get a better sequencer? Id like to not even have to use edit mode to change my sequences if possible.

It's better to post patches than screenshots. We can edit screenshots.

From a quick glance, though, it's possible that the problem has to do with your counters. An [f ]X[+ 1] will count on forever, but once the numbers get too high, it will lose accuracy. You should stick the [% ] between the [+ 1] and [f ].

Check out mod's tutorial on counters: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-5880-simple-counters

Also, what's with the [+ 4] and [+ 5]? That's just going to push the index out of range.

ok yes, that division within the "f" and "+ 1" objects makes it a lot cleaner. Thank you.

I think I found the solution for what I want right now is to not use the message box, I just open the table and left click to get properties and manually enter data. This can't be saved but it works for right now.

I eventually would like to get the sequences to have real time knobs to change any value in the sequence, but Im getting a lot of use out of this as is anyhow.

oh and the [+ 4] and [+ 5] was just a temporary solution to the missing numbers in the sequences, I somehow lost the ability to edit the first numbers in the sequences so I just advanced to a further set. luckily this is no longer an issue.

Did you know you can store your numbers in a file, e.g. numbers.txt (save it in the same folder as your patch) and use the read message to read the number into the table:

[read numbers.txt(
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ok, I made a bit of progress, the attached file is what I have so far. It works, Its an 8 step sequencer, using delayed bangs, and it controls for each of the 8 steps individually: step length, note duration, individual midi note number and velocity, all in real time.

Its not exactly what I had in mind for how the note durations work, but this allows for a pretty cool stutter effect. I think I just have to wrap my head around what the MIDI note duration values really stand for.

If anyone wants to take a look Id appreciate feedback, the guts of it are all laid out at the bottom there

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/draft_3.pd