SSSAD it's a nice way for collecting presets.
I think this is an important correction of sssad save module to post.
I use patches with a sssad module for each abstraction (many).
In the main project window I create a subpatch where to collect several sssad messages (messages created inside "pd datastore"), during a performance I can load many presets.

Sometimes is useful to change only certain settings and leave others unchanged, thus I write sssad messages with only the commands I need.
The "sssad.pd" I propose you, doesn't send messages when there's no relevant command to perform for his "parent".

I was said I should post this in the pd-list, but I feel it dispersive

ps: [sssad] was written by Frank Barknecht <fbar@footils.org> and was inspired from
a discussion about Max's [pv] and [pvar] objects on pd-list brought up by "Item
State"

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/sssad.pd

nice Enrico. Thanks for sharing this improvement. I believe your idea is a good improvement. It also thins the amount of data sent. Imagine a synth with 200 parameters and only one changes! every bar!

will you check it in to pd-extended (I was going to say CVS, but we switched to SVN now),

a.

ok, with SSSAD module I can make independent presets, and change only those I need.
Perhaps somebody doesn't know sssad or my method can be little obscure,
therefore I prepared an example patch where you can see my method.

In the old version of example-preset I used three abstractions from s-abstractions (by Chris McCormick), one of them I modified to include the SSSAD module (s-varenv). All the stuff you need should be in the attached folder.

the example is very simple but is useful for real time performances, (for instance using midi controllers).

The new version of example preset (english and italian version) is a basic tutorial for creating multi-preset patches

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/example-preset.zip

Incidently, why do you use SSSAD over Memento - what are the fundamental differences?

Until yesterday I didn't know Memento, now I have but it seems I need at least three more objects to answer you:
-pool
-prepend
-OSCroute
can anyone give me or tell me where can I find them?

Ah I think this is the main difference -

Those objects you listed are part of the extended package.

SSSAD uses Vanilla objects, whereas Memento requires pd-extended. So, SSSAd is more portable i guess.

I there anything that Memento does for you that sssad doesn't?

S

I cannot answer this if I haven't a full working Memento, anyway as far as I can see, Memento is oriented to store several presets and quickly switch among them.
The same is possible with SSSAD as well.

You can store several presets by creating a number of subpatches named as you wish (e.g. pd preset1, pd preset2, ...). Then, when you want to save the "preset1" state, you have simply to apply this argument on the "datastore" abstraction and press "save" button.

Once you have saved your presets, send bangs to the messages stored inside subpatch preset1, preset2, ... in order to switch among different presets.

I cannot say more about Memento but I think I will continue to use SSSAD.

Bye

E

i like the fact i don't need any external to store preset :love:

great job Enrico, could you post a very basic example how to use your abstraction ,please ;o)

HK

ps : i know i'm lazy but thanx in advance

Wow. There is a lot of powerful stuff I don't understand yet about Pd. It would be really helpful if there was somewhere I could read up on

, stuff relating to templates, atoms, and dynamic object creation.

lists:

help->reference->list-abs

dynamic object creation:

help->manuals->pd-msg

I'm not finding the pd-msg.

you have pd-xtended?

Nope. What package should I use?

google search 'hans pd installers', and get 0.39 extended

ok guys,
as I said before I created a new version of example-preset patch where you can see the method I use to create and load several different presets using s-abstractions.

the new version is a step by step tutorial patch where learn to use sssad save module and create different presets

please give me some feedback,
have fun

E.

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/example-preset.zip

Well, thanks for producing a tutorial on this. I'm googling around but can't now even find the 'original' version of SSSAD.

The problem with your tutorial is that it only explains how to create a preset for one control item. then you root around what seems like so many (seemingly) unrelated pd patches. and you load up start-here.pd to find that the code for it's version of preset handling is different and it loads and saves to file, which wasn't explained in your tutorial, so after further digging, I'm none the wiser, and I still wouldn't know what pd patches exactly I need to copy over to new projects in order to have this feature

here I found s-abstractions which use sssad module

http://mccormick.cx/projects/s-abstractions/

links for download seems not work to me, (post a mail to Chris if you want)

so I attach the s-abstractions.tar.gz file I downloaded in 2007 (don't know about updates)

here I learned to use sssad and if I did, you can do the same and better

then,

1. if you want to save and load (<- much important) presets only for a selection of parameters you have

2. if you want create multiple presets

read my tutorial and try to use my version of s-abstraction, which is the same to the original except for one or two patches

hope you will be a fan of s-abstraction or simply the wiser

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/s-abstractions.tar.gz

hello there,

new to this forum and to pd~, i just submited a post in the "technical issue" forum about getting lost in saving presets, sssad, RRAD, datastore, qlists, etc, and it seems you guys here know a lot about it ...
i threw a quick look on enrico's tutorial for SSSAD, but it seems way past my present knowledge. could you tell me where i could start my research to understand all this (is sssad an external object? a way of organising abstractions?)? i like to understand my patches, so i guess i got a long way to go, but it would really help....
thanks,
sorry to mingle with the big guys, i just don't know where to start

i just answered your post in the technical section

cheeers

Hi, I use sssad a lot and I find it very useful.

But when I use many save modules on my program, some of them suddenly stop working and I can find this line in my .txt files:

\\\\\\\$1/kill.SSAD/kill;

Is there any kind of limitation in the number of presets that can be saved in one file?
I have 135 lines...

thanks!

hi,

so stubborn i still don't use ssad, but have my own centralised preset saving system using arrays (so you can save .txt or not). from what i've gathered there shouldn't be a limit to the number of lines though...
if my "alternative" system might interest you let me know and i'll post an example in a machine.