hello all,
i wanted to ask for suggestions/tips/ideas on making electronic music like idm with gridlike percussion on pd without the use of externals, is it possible? if so.. do you have any methods you could share to get some results? thank you and all the best,

so far i've used the metro and line objects to produce some short bursts, any ideas how to make this more interesting? all the best,

@reflect_ Hi, I suggest you start by learning and experimenting with simple fm (frequency modulation) and by looking at other people's patches,
Here you find a ton of good sounding ones. They are hard to make sense of sometimes, but if you make an effort you can learn an awful lot. http://www.martin-brinkmann.de/pd-patches.html
Some time ago I made a universal vanilla grid-style sequencer that could be used for all sorts of things, maybe you'll find it useful. The help file explains how to use it. https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/11012/grid-multi-pattern-step-sequencer-abstraction
If you google "pure data drums" or "pure data percussions" or something of that sort you'll find some posts in this forum with patches that can get you started.
Good luck.

Maybe you can look the examples within pd-vanilla regarding sequencing with qlist. However i prefer using an array to store notes and velocities