ok then.. i've got another question.

this thing works pretty well, although its unfinished.

The problem i am having now is that i would like to be able to use chords with different numbers of voices. right now it is set up to use 3 voices and that works pretty well. using different voices doesn't really work right now because of the way higher octaves of the arpeggio. I've set it up to do chords with 4 or 5 voices and they work fine, but i'm not sure how to set it up to handle chords with a variable number of voices. I'd like to give it the ability to take 8 voices.

In the patch, after it unpacks the chord, it populates number boxes with the voices that come in, when changing to a chord with 3 voices from one with a higher number, the boxes that are unused stay at their previous values. If i could figure out how to reset them to 0, i could use booleans to do the switch... but i don't know how to do that.

any ideas?????

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/arper.pd

I will attempt to precise the architecture I'm thinking of to ensure we'll really be talking about the same thing.

Layer 1.

The music production environment GUI. Featuring the usual stuff: multi-track classical/midi partition editor, instruments bank, pre/post processing effects chaining, etc. Most importantly, controls should be displayed and respond in a uniform way, there also should be a high level script-language/gui application for designing the interface of new instruments/effects/etc.

Layer 2 (i.e.: Pure Data)

A Self like programming language, highest level as possible, for quickly designing and prototyping new instruments/effects, to be incorporated into level 1.

Layer 3.

An application framework for extending the capabilities of layer 1 and 2.

Now what I find appealing in this model, is that every significant level of the music creation process would be sufficiently organized to be tempered with while remaining on the level one is addressing (i.e.: Although the possibility remains, a musician interested only in composing melodies and stuff, won't have to cope with the low-end technical details of the instruments he's using; the instrument designer won't have to care about the underlying programming framework, etc, etc.)

Now to address some of you comments:

"it's difficult to integrate PD into other music production environments"

• I don't see the need to integrate PD in other music production environment, as to me, PD shouldn't be a mere plugin but the foundation of a music production env.

"to make complete works in pd alone requires fairly significant knowledge and effort."

• As stated above, PD shouldn't be the place for making a complete musical work, but rather for designing one's instruments.

"pd's gui is incredibly primitive" and
" i would love to build a basic multitrack DAW in pd, but the gui would be maxed out way too quickly."

True, and this is why the layer 1 is really needed.

Now, I certainly don't consider the instrument engineering part of music as to be a waste of time; although it would be a waste of time if those instruments couldn't be used by anyone except their makers - and the same goes for any program. I know these suggestions I'm rambling about are probably not new nor would they probably cause any revolution in linux audio, I only hope it could stand as a direction the ones interested in developing PD a little further might seriously consider.

Cheers to Moog and Scott.

@skatias said:

But when I press a note twice and I want it to be sustained by finger and release the pedal then the pedal gives all notes off and the finger sustain doesn't work.

I don't think that should happen unless the previous note has been stolen. But if it is the case, you might want to consider handling this inside the voice itself. I don't have time to make an example right now, but I'll try to explain. Right now I imagine it's set up to go into its release stage when it receives a velocity 0. You could put a [ctlin] inside the voice and have it do a check for whether or not the sustain pedal is down when it receives velocity 0. If it is, have it wait for the pedal to be released before going into the release stage, otherwise let it pass. This should definitely prevent new voices from being turned off.

As for making sure a specific note isn't duplicated, you'll have to keep a running track of what notes have been sent to what voice. Here's what I'm thinking: for every note-on/note-off coming out of [poly], store the note value in a table that's the same length as the number of voices. Use [poly]'s voice number as the table index, and for every note-on store the note number, and for note-offs store something out of range like -1. When a new note-on comes through, run a quick check through the table to see if the same pitch is being used before [route]ing it. If it finds a match, change the voice number to the table index so that it goes to the same voice and retrigger the note, making sure to reset it if it's being held by the sustain pedal.

Or something like that.

you mean, you have a stereo music signal with e.g. a complete band with guitars, bass, drums and vox on the inlet and you only want to have the voices on the outlet? no, i'm pretty sure that's not possible or in any case not a trivial task.
if you aim at the opposit of those effects, that filter out a voice from a music file, so you get the instruments only as result - those efffects do not really filter voice, they filter everything in the middle of the stereo field such as voice, but unfortunately often the bass guitar and other instruments are set to middle too, so they will be filtered too.

edit: if you have a constant noise in a voice recording, then this is possible to reduce it more or less without big changes on the voice. this is a task for fft analysation and fir filters. theres a nice freeware plugin called reaFIR, look here:
http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

didnt know jack also worked for windows xp?

EDIT:just downloaded jack from the website,but i get all kinds of errors when i try to unzip?

! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Headers (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Headers --> Versions\Current\Headers)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Jackmp (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Jackmp --> Versions\Current\Jackmp)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open Versions\Current\Resources (jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources --> Versions\Current\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create ersions\Current\Headers
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Jackservermp
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Panda
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Panda.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_32bits\Panda.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Headers
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Jackmp
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackmp.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Headers
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Jackservermp
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Jackservermp.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Panda
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create Versions\Current\Resources
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot open jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Panda.framework\Resources (A --> jack-1.9.2\bin\osx_64bits\Panda.framework\Resources)
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Symbolic link points to missing file
! C:\Documents and Settings\administartor\Desktop\jack audio\jack-1.9.2.tgz: Cannot create

I'm getting a similar problem on 10.5.7. I'm also getting crashes when trying to select my M-Box Micro as the output in Pd..

Process: mds [21]
Path: /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Support/mds
Identifier: mds
Version: (???)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [1]

Date/Time: 2008-09-23 14:48:39.862 +1000
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.4 (9E17)
Report Version: 6

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 18

Application Specific Information:
/SourceCache/Spotlight/Spotlight-398.18/index/ContentIndex/CIMerging.c:1958: failed assertion 'changes->docIds[0].count==0'

(Error) IndexStore in SIStoreDirytySDBChunks:Error storing dirty sdb pages: 30

Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0000e6c3 0x1000 + 54979
6 mds 0x00005956 0x1000 + 18774

Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0000d61d 0x1000 + 50717
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0000d640 0x1000 + 50752
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0000d663 0x1000 + 50787
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 4:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0000d686 0x1000 + 50822
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0000d6a9 0x1000 + 50857
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 6:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbf68e __semwait_signal + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x960108e0 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 72
2 mds 0x0000a3f7 0x1000 + 37879
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 7:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fdc1ba read$UNIX2003 + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 8:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe8f66 kevent + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 9:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x0008714c 0x1000 + 549196
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 10:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x00054157 0x1000 + 340311
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 11:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x00054157 0x1000 + 340311
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 12:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x00054157 0x1000 + 340311
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 13:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0022a3da _handleExceptions + 238
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 14:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb84a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fbfc9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bda0ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92bdacf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 mds 0x00058504 0x1000 + 357636
5 mds 0x000448f3 0x1000 + 276723
6 mds 0x000582d2 0x1000 + 357074
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bf1d -[NSThread main] + 45
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x9631bac4 __NSThread__main__ + 308
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 15:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb8506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fea84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fec0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47
3 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018b180 si_scheduler_run_waiting_timeout + 163
4 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176e50 runLoop + 77
5 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176f3c setattr_runLoop + 68
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 16:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb8506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fea84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fec0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47
3 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018b180 si_scheduler_run_waiting_timeout + 163
4 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176e50 runLoop + 77
5 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176eaa query_runLoop + 30
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 17:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fb8506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fea84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fec0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47
3 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018b180 si_scheduler_run_waiting_timeout + 163
4 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176e50 runLoop + 77
5 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0017705d flush_runLoop + 65
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 18 Crashed:
0 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x002370af _dead_beef + 11
1 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x002307c7 merge_checkAgainstUpdates + 181
2 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00230a00 PayloadProcessDocIDRangeBitsReversed + 387
3 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0020ef96 unpackPostingChunk + 422
4 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0023517b mergeIndexData + 13180
5 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x001a0da6 _ContentIndexMergeIndexes + 128
6 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x001a0fe2 ContentIndexMergeIndexes + 248
7 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0017ec59 OuterMerge + 1310
8 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x001806fe si_mergeIndex + 4007
9 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018aca9 si_work_queue_process + 643
10 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018af97 si_scheduler_once + 419
11 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018af97 si_scheduler_once + 419
12 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x0018b322 si_scheduler_run_waiting_timeout + 581
13 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176e50 runLoop + 77
14 com.apple.spotlight.index 0x00176fce compaction_runLoop + 68
15 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe96f5 _pthread_start + 321
16 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95fe95b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 18 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x00230733 ecx: 0x00000000 edx: 0x00000000
edi: 0x00000000 esi: 0x00000616 ebp: 0xb0991738 esp: 0xb0991730
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x002370af cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x00000000

Binary Images:
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@toxonic said:

i have to enhance some little things in my structure to save some cpu power (for example i use a noise~ object in every(!) voice, but i only need one for all voices) - at the moment it's not possible to run 100 voices on my machine. but i find, this many voices are not needed to get a good and fat sound.

yes, a single instance of noise~ would help in reducing the cpu load. Another (maybe useful) suggestion is to use
a switch~ for the voices that are not in use at a certain time. Anyway you're right, a nice sound does not need
too many voices (96 are a lot, 128 too many .

@toxonic said:

what i found out in your patch is, that reducing the voices leads to a reduction of mainly high voices - was this your intention?

I approached that problem by using a "frequency spacing" parameter, so even with few voices I can span
the 20-20000 Hz region (each "voice" has a center frequency f = f0 x n x dF where f0 is the "base" frequency,
n is the voice number and dF is the frequency spacing), but in that case, if you reduce the number of voices and you
want to preserve the full spectrum span you need to increase the frequency spacing..

Anyway, I really enjoyed winds of doom, thanks for sharing.
I particularly like the "drops" effects (preset 2 if i'm not wrong), it's really good.

@toxonic said:

p.s.: a skrewell adaption would be a nice idea too, but i didn't already get me into it.... i hate reverse engeneering...

Skrewell is an instrument for which I'd pay to have it ported in Pd (ok, kudos, not real euros ..
In case you change idea let me know, maybe sometime we can join the efforts for this ...
Anyone else?

Alberto

cool, nice sounding patch too! it's sounds a little different to mine, but great too. i have to enhance some little things in my structure to save some cpu power (for example i use a noise~ object in every(!) voice, but i only need one for all voices) - at the moment it's not possible to run 100 voices on my machine. but i find, this many voices are not needed to get a good and fat sound.
what i found out in your patch is, that reducing the voices leads to a reduction of mainly high voices - was this your intention? i solved that by creating the voices as abstractions dynamically with their basic-pitch as argument - but i create them in 10th steps and use modulo to begin again the lowest voice.... sorry my english is too poor.
what i mean is, when i have a count of ten voices i have already coverd the whole frequency spectrum.
thank you for the link, i'll have a look to your other creations later!

p.s.: a skrewell adaption would be a nice idea too, but i didn't already get me into it.... i hate reverse engeneering...

@mod said:

how about making your own version of [poly] as an abstraction? that way you can do what you want with it,

?? uh, i guess, that's not really a trivial thing to do!? ok, you could use a counter to generate a voice number and a [pack] object to pack the pitch/velocity pairs to that voice number. but when i hit for example one key and keep holding it down while i hit another key (now the second voice will be triggered...) - when i let the first key go after a while, how can i set the velocity of the corresponding "triple" (voice#, pitch, velo) to zero again?
has somebody built something like this yet? would be cool, if i could have a look to an existing patch...i don't have a clue!

edit: ok, after hours of trial and error, i'm quite sure, that the way i planned it - by using a midi triggered counter to generate the voice-number - it won't be possible to build a poly-like abstraction:
when a key is held down while pressing other keys, the corresponding voice-number has to be "saved" somehow, for only the left voices will be used... the other issue that i have is, how to get the velocity values to change back to zero within the "midi triple messages", when the key will let go again...
i really have no idea how to figure that out - can someone help?
sorry for my poor english.....

I hope I did this right: I opened Console, then launched PD. I've pasted the contents of the console window below (after that I pasted the contents of pd.crash.log

===== Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:45:29 AM America/New_York =====
2009-03-28 11:46:02.321 BOMArchiveHelper[343] opened /Users/larz/Downloads/.BAHh1Ptn/pd-0.42-4.mac.tar
Pt_Start() called
Mar 28 11:46:42 KlipperBook crashdump[394]: pd crashed
Mar 28 11:46:43 KlipperBook crashdump[394]: crash report written to: /Users/larz/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/pd.crash.log
pd_gui: pd process exited

================

pd.crash.log:

**********

Host Name: KlipperBook
Date/Time: 2009-03-28 11:46:40.715 -0400
OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S2167)
Report Version: 4

Command: pd
Path: /Applications/Pd-0.42-4.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd
Parent: Pd [351]

Version: (0.38)

PID: 352
Thread: 3

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000004

Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9001a1cc select + 12
1 pd 0x00044706 sys_microsleep + 19 (s_inter.c:207)
2 pd 0x000423a7 m_mainloop + 468 (m_sched.c:511)
3 pd 0x000444a2 sys_main + 1642 (s_main.c:313)
4 pd 0x00002876 _start + 216
5 pd 0x0000279d start + 41

Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009cd7 mach_msg_trap + 7
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082d21b CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 2014
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9082ca36 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91469356 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 158
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91469171 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 93
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024227 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90047dd7 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 7
1 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x914765a4 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 212
2 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x914764c6 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 66
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91474e42 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 690
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91474b8b HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x91469171 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 93
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024227 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 3 Crashed:
0 pd 0x00074746 PaUtil_SetInputFrameCount + 13 (pa_process.c:464)
1 pd 0x00079b60 AudioIOProc + 1925 (pa_mac_core.c:1879)

Thread 3 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x000793ec ecx: 0x00000000 edx: 0x00000000
edi: 0x00000000 esi: 0xb0182190 ebp: 0xb0182168 esp: 0xb0182168
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010246 eip: 0x00074746 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037

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