hi friends,
i have a problem about delwrite~ and delread~ objects,
i want to create an object(patch) with a signal input and signal output, that output will be delayed, and i want to be able to use that object in other patches,
i created a patch 'delayobject' using objects like:

|delwrite~ delay 3000( |delread~ delay 400(

but when i want to use more than one of these 'delayobject' s in an other patch, i get the error

warning: delay: multiply defined

so, for every 'delayobject' that i create i have to give 'delay' a different name automatically,
i try to use something like $1-delay but i can't figure out how, cause there is no inlet for 'name' on delread~,delwrite~ objects,
is there a way that i can rename these objects with a message?
or any other ideas, suggestions?
thanx

hi, this is my beginning: i need a "thing" who launches two videos and two audios (pre-recorded, aleatory selected) of a list, in the moment that i make a noise (enoug noise) in a microphone, for that i make this simple patch:
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i'm sorry for space wasted, but is the 4:02 (...of course!),
the "thing" works, i have the video and audio libs in the apropiate site (they are 5 .mov files and 5 .wav, not very heavy content), but at the third clap in front of the mic it hangs, allways on the third, and a bit later a beatiful death blue screen (yes, i'm windozed, linux don't have drivers for my presonus firestation), i test it in two partitions (same machine), any ideas? Thanks for reading, interest, and.. for all, best regards.

jano

ayeee

I've got a metronome triggering slices of a breakbeat and I've set up a way to shift every second metronome bang using a delay object and spigot objects. By altering the delay you can create more or less of a swing to the metronome bangs. However obviously you can only delay the bang so much before it appears in sync with the next bang and this is based the tempo that your working at.
so...
I'd like to use the tempo to calculate a range for the delay.

i.e

If the tempo was 120BPM then the metronome will be 'BANG'ing every 500 ms
so the rage for the delay would be from 0 ms to something less than 500 ms (lets say 450)

If the tempo was 240BPM the metronome will be 'BANG'ing every 250ms
so the range of the delay would be from 0 ms to say 250 ms ( so.... like ..... 225)

so yeah

I'd like to generate the minium and maximum for a vertical slider based on the tempo at run time

hmmmmmm.....

I hope that's kiind of clearer but looking back it's quite long winded
I'm sorry.
let me know if it still doesn't make any sense.

Thank youuuuu

Iain

you might need to use a set up that involves using two (or more) separate delay lines and swapping back and forth between them at the moment you want to 'clean' the delay. here's how it would work:

assume two delwrite~ obects with delay lines named a and b. matching these two delwrite~s are two delread~s. each of these four objects can be 'turned on' or 'muted' (using the method supplied above by giair). muting a delwrite~ object technically means muting the audio going into to the object.

the initial state of the patch would [delwrite~ a] and [delread~ a] turned on and [delwrite~ b] and [delread~ b] muted. when you want to clear the delay line, you would mute [delwrite~ a] and [delread~ a]. at that point you can turn on the 'b' delay line objects. you can switch back and forth between your two delay lines cleanly if you wait an amount of time greater than the length of the delay.

in the case that your delay time is longer than the time you want to wait, you would have to use another delay line. the downside of this is that the control gets a little bit more complicated. if this is something you might apply, check miller puckette's book (pdf available on his website i think) and look at the chapter on polyphonic synthesizers. polyphonic synths require some form of voice allocation and you might be able to use some of pd's voice allocation support to help manage your delay lines, because it is a fairly similar process.

i hope this made sense. i don't think it's as confusing as it sounds, but it is hard to put into words. if you understand what i mean, but aren't sure how to implement it, i could probably post an example; just let me know.

--zac

Files starting with a "." are usually hidden on Linux. The "-a" flag for "ls" forces display of these. For example:

$ cd /home/claude
$ ls
bin bwusage.txt crapart2.wav IMG_0379.JPG incoming ls.txt private public public_html raw.txt Screenshot.png tail.pd tail.pd.png tail.png tmp

These are the files you normally see.

Now I try:

$ cd /home/claude
$ ls -a
. .bashrc .fullcircle .grip-l3enc .lyx .phoenix .Skype .wine
.. .bcast .gaim .grip-lame .macromedia private .soundtracker .Xauthority
.alsaplayer bin .gamix .grip-other .mailcap public .ssh .xawtv
.amsn bwusage.txt .gconf .gstreamer .mcop public_html .sversionrc .xawtv~
.aspell.english.prepl .canna .gconfd .gtkrc .metacity .qt tail.pd .xchat
.aspell.english.pws .cddb .gftp .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 .mikmodrc raw.txt tail.pd.png .xchm
.aspell.en.prepl .cddbslave .gimp-1.2 .ICEauthority .mime.types .RealNetworks_RealCookies_60 tail.png .xemacs
.aspell.en.pws .cheesetracker_QT .gnome .icons .mozilla .RealNetworks_RealMediaSDK_60 .terminatorXrc .xmms
.audacity crapart2.wav .gnome2 IMG_0379.JPG .mplayer .RealNetworks_RealPlayer_60 .thumbnails .xnviewrc
.autosave .cvspass .gnome2_private incoming .nautilus .RealNetworks_RealShared_00 .thunderbird .xscreensaver
.autothumb .dvdcss .gnome-desktop .jackdrc .netscape .realplayerrc tmp .xvpics
.avidemuxrc .emacs .gnome_private .java .netscape6 .recently-used .Trash .ymessenger
.Azureus .emacs.d .gphoto .kde .nicotine .rezound .user60.rdb
.bash_history .esd_auth .gprename .libquicktime_codecs .openoffice .rhn-applet.conf .viminfo
.bash_logout .fonts .grip .lives .pdrc .sane .wgetrc
.bash_profile .fonts.cache-1 .grip-flac ls.txt .pdrc~ Screenshot.png .wgetrc~

A whole load more files suddenly appear!

Obviously replace the "claude" in /home/claude with your username, too.