Hello all,
first off i'd like to say sorry for my lack of general understanding in PD. I know that much of what I am trying to find out has already been explained on these forums. However I promise that I have spent time trying and this is my last resort(goddam newbs).
First off I am running the latest PD extended on a 2.2G intel macbook pro, OSX 10.5.6.

When I downloaded and installed this version I was hoping to take advantage of some of the great externals that can be implemented in PD. The first problem is my understanding of where the documentation and file references are actually stored. I could not find any newly created folders that included the tutorials or any of the externals. Things such as freeverb~, abs~ and the sudden motion sensor PD could not find, and I myself cannot find them in any documentation or file types.

Now I have tried to load these up on startup but due to not knowing where Pd is reading from and where the file libraries are supposed to be stored on the HD I think I have been making a mess by trying to download the externals and relevant documentation and get Pd to load these. I ended up downloading Puckettes recent release of PD to get the examples and help files. Making more of a mess.

Can anyone help shed some light on what I am doing wrong and how PD archives some of the things I am talking about. For instance would some of the objects and examples be stored in the application itself

Sorry one more question, when trying to load up makefiles and compiling externals what is the language and what is the compiler relative to OSX ?

Sorry again for what are probably rubbish questions but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Unstable

_For instance would some of the objects and examples be stored in the application itself _

Yes, inside the .app bundle. Not sure how to make pd-extended see them, I never used it, or OS X. Try searching pd-list archives for references to plist etc

Did you install Pd-Extended in /Applications ?

Unless I'm mistaken all the references assume that Pd-Extended is installed there. If it is it's just a matter of creating the object, right clicking on it and selecting help.

ex:

[freeverb~]

You could also check out browser under the Help menu. Freeverb's documentation should be under 5.reference->freeverb

Hey thanks for the help. I have yet to look into the plist stuff but will investigate that idea soon. However I have done what you said saturno and managed to find the sudden motion sensor and got it to work. Using the browser to find the relevant help file. This works for the sudden motion sensor but not for the freeverb~ help. In the second instance the help file loads up but not with the object freeverb~ weird. Any suggestions

Hmm the browser idea seems to only work for the apple objects. If I try others none of them seem to work. I think I am just going to save everything I have to an external HD and uninstall everything and re install PD extended. A while ago I installed PD on bootcamp so I could use it in XP. You don't suppose that this could be playing a part in the confusion

Cheers.

Woa I feel like a fool now. Just realised that you can right click on the app icon and see the contents in the folder. Seems like the original org.plist doesn't work So I changed it with one I found on this thread,

http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-619-port-percolate

Now it is loading up some the libraries I am unsure if it's looking up all of them so does anyone know if this was the original org.plist... file to come with extended ? Am just thinking that I now have to change the audio preferences in PD as it has changed to 6 i/O. This is something the new plist has initiated I am guessing ?

Thanks

Typically with Pd-extended installs, only the more popular libraries are loaded on start-up. To load the others, you can go to File->Startup...->New... and type the name of the library. You can also add an [import <library name>] into the patch. This is what the apple helpfiles do, which is why they probably work.

However, [freeverb~] and others should be loaded automatically. Did you have a previous version of Pd installed? If so, your new one is probably using the old preferences. Delete the .plist first, then reinstall. This should update your preferences.

Check this link out for details on how to go about this:

http://puredata.info/docs/faq/when-i-upgraded-to-pd-extended-0-40-3-it-stopped-loading-all-of-the-libraries

Hey thanks for the help everyone. I think I understand how this works now. In answer to Saturnos question it was installed in the applications folder. Maelstrom, I see how you can add libraries to the startup of PD (the plist I have initiated loads most if not all of the ones in extended up.) but if I were to add a new library would I just have to copy and paste it into the application contents and then type it to the startup

Thanks again.

If I remember correctly, if it's an "official" library, dropping it in the extras folder and typing the name of the library in the Startup... window should work. But it doesn't always, because libraries have to be done in a certain way for Pd to find them, and I've never made a library so I don't really know what that is. I think these days it has something to do with the libdir loader. Anyhow, there are some cases, as with pdmtl, where it's just a folder full of abstractions. In cases like these, it's easiest to just put all of the abstractions and such in the extras folder on OSX. The reason for this is that since Pd-extended is bundled in a .app, adding the path to a folder in the extras folder is a pain in the ass. The browser in the Path... window doesn't let you look in .app bundles. So to add it you have to dig into the .plist manually. The extras folder is already set in the path, so that takes care of that.

I'm not 100% on all that, though. There's enough stuff in Pd-extended to keep me too busy to look for other libraries.