OK everyone,

I built this counter which is supposed to count continuously up to 10 and down to 0. When I turned it on, I realized that it actually goes 1 step further than the limits I put into; 11 and -1. After spending some time to figure out what might be the possible problem, I decided to start all over again, and behold! this time it began working properly! I, then, compared the two very carefully, and couldn't find even a single difference!! I am totaly confused. I have uploaded the patch that contains two of the counters, and will be glad to have some opinions about that problem...

Thanks...

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/2Counters.pd

see how there are 3 cables coming out of the [f ] object?

the order in which those messages are sent is important.

[f ]
|
[t f f f]

will clear up your troubles. right click on [t f f f] to read the help file and learn more about triggers if you are confused.

Got it! Thanks a lot indeed..

One thing still needs to be cleared though, why does the left one work correctly?

if you don't use triggers, then the data will be sent along cables in the order that they were first created.

however, if you cut and paste, that creation order can change with the new duplicate.

> however, if you cut and paste, that creation order can change with the new duplicate.

Ouch! that's nasty ... I didn't know that one.

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actually, i was just guessing that.

i just tried, and it seems that creation order DOES remain the same when you cut and paste.

but i wouldn't depend on it anyway, so triggers are the way to go.