hi,

There *is* an extra/pd_darwin file at </Users/.../>/Pd-extended 64bit.app/Contents/Resources/extra/extra/ but it is not searched at this place : how to ? No way to give such an additional search path in the Preferences - I don't know how, and I believe I don't need to help at that.

Thanks for help.

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/Screen_Shot_2014-02-17_at_21.24.55.png

strange... I have 43.1 on 64 bit osx and there is no binary named extra. there are externals inside the library (folder) extra though, but these should be loaded by default. what happens when you create the loop~ object?
if you get a loop~... couldn't create try resetting the preferences by deleting the file ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pdextended.plist and reopening pd.
incidentally you can manually change which libraries are loaded by editing this file, change nloadlib and add a loadilib(number) entry with the name of the library

Hi sebfumaster - thanks for your helping,

Sorry, I am wrong - at least a typo in my eye - there is *no* extra.pd_darwin in the Resources/extra/extra/ folder.
But I don't know from where it is asked to load such a file as "extra.pd_darwin".

Anyway, loop~ *works* after deleting the org.puredata.pdextended.plist.

Also, I understand this verbose was quite small of an help as finally the 29 libraries to load, as per the plist, successfully loaded.

So, there is not much to be alarmed - but to raise more questions : I just added a "loadlib30" entry with value "pique" as I saw a "pique.pd_darwin" in the /resources/extra/extra/ folder, raised by myself the nloadlib to 30, and that was perfectly loaded in the verbose - forgetting the fails.

But should I have to do the same for every *.pd_darwin file that I see in a folder ? That would mean quite a lot !

And what is the usage of the paths I can add in the Preferences window ? I don't see any affect..

At last, may I tell about a (red) message I have at launch which says : Symbol not found: _TclFreeObj (see file attached) ? It doesn't seem yet too much harmful.

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/Screen_Shot_2014-02-18_at_20.25.53.png

yeah I've always gotten the _TclFreeObj message on 43.1 too, perhaps it wasn't linked with 64 bit properly or something.
edit: found a description of the issue: included tcl is 32 bit http://tcl.2662.n7.nabble.com/Symbol-not-found-TclFreeObj-on-64-bit-builds-td58615.html

I think you're confusing classes and libraries. classes are single elements that are loaded into pd. Classes can either be loaded one at a time or as a whole library. the [import] object and the loader generally load libraries, which are collections of these classes. Libraries can either be made of a single binary (.pd_darwin file) or many, with one for each class or a couple of classes. Generally in pd extended libraries are packaged to be in multiple binary files, one for each class. These are contained in a single folder, which is the name of the library. This is the case with extra. Extra is loaded by default, so you don't need to add pique to the library loader because it is loaded when extra is loaded (it is in the library "extra"), as is loop~.

lastly, I believe adding paths to the preferences window no longer has any effect with pd 43. you can add more paths in the same way as adding libraries to load though in the same preferences file, but add a path and add to npath instead.
I should also mention that the preferred way of loading libraries that aren't loaded by default is to use the [import] or [declare] objects
the preferred way of adding per-patch paths is to use [path] and [declare]

Thanks a lot sebfumaster for your guidance !

It is difficult at this time to do a thorough assimilation of your explanations.

A folder cnmat, sitting at the same level on my disk than the Pd-extended application, contains an oatomize.pd_darwin file (and many such other ones). I beg your pardon : cnmat is the library and oatomize is (one of) its classes ? Or the contrary ?

I notice that the supplementary paths I had written in the Preferences window have been reported as entries in the Preferences plist file (automatically) - with the npath entry number in accordance.

I think it is another subject - I believe 32bit against 64bit - that a patch saying "import oatomize" fails with this "Did find:
/Users/fdiMac/fdiMac apps/AUDIO apps/Pure Data/cnmat/oatomize.pd_darwin: mach-o, but wrong architecture".

Sorry Sebfu, enough for tonight &#8230; also, with the benefit of this discussion, I will go back to Pure Data documentation with some ideas in mind. Thanks.