When i load a patch, several of my sub-patch windows open and this is undesirable. Why is it that some sub-patches do this and others don't? Is there a way to control it?
Thanks!

normally, you have to save the patch when you have close all the windows of subpatchs.
When it's a abstraction, you have to close all the windows too. befor saving.

In most case, it's work. But .... some times, I don't know why I have redondance, and it does' t works. SO...

sometimes it doesn't work cause you haven't made any change in the patch,hence hte file isn't updated.
what i do in such case : control A to select everything, i press the up arrow . everything move from 1 pixel . and i can save it .
stupid tricks but it seems to work.... a least on my version . (pd 0.37.10 on winxp.)

ahaha
move everything from 1 pixel, so funny, and I think it's the good one !

yeah, that's so neat...i was making an empty msg box, then deleting it,,,,but the one pixel up is a really good idea.

i also have another solution to my own problem. i'm not actually using the solution but thought others might be interested in it. here it is:
if you want to make it certain that the abstraction/sub patch/etc windows won't open on load (regardless of how they are saved), you can put the following in each window that you want to stay closed:

[loadbang]
|
[ ; pd-window-name vis 0 (

where 'window-name' is the name of the window. don't forget to add the file extension for abstractions.

i have found that pd is even more flexible (imagine that) when you begin to send messages to Pd/Pd windows. i have a patch that 'rewrites' itself based on parameters sent to an abstraction. has anyone else worked with this method of Pd programming? seems like it opens a whole new world of Pd.

--zac

I use this kind of message to open a subpatch with controllers or viewers sliders. I tried to build an entire subpatch or abstraction like a beatbox builder, but It seems to be not very stable.
Yes it 's very an other direction in Pd. I would like to know when do you use it.
In the pd convention, there is another way wich is using python in Pd. see the papers of Thomas Grill "Dyn" :

http://convention.puredata.org/lectures/tk-grill/

It seems to be powerful. I don't undertsand anymore! so if anyone know a little bit it' would be nice.

hey...does anyone know of some document about these pd functions to open and close subpatches, send things into certain subpatches/ abstractions...etc
?

i'm trying to rename arrays in abstarction A and abstarction B, but if you just use the

;
x rename y

message, then all the abstractions recieve the same message. it's doing my head in.

fuck my bad spelling. ..."abstraction"

you can see help documentation in pd documentation/7.stuff/pd-msg

if you can find the download section here :
http://dh7.free.fr/index.html in the PD-MSG menu.

ah yeah...i didn't look there. thanks mate!