Hi all, glad I found this place and it's still active! I'm fairly new to pd and to synthesis in general, but I've been playing with the platform for a few months now and I recognize a few names here already from alot of examples and tutorials I've viewed, so it's good to be here.

Anyway on with my question.. I notice vline~ has two extra inputs, but all the examples I've seen use three-member lists on the hot input. And the built-in help for vline~ only explains the first input as well. What are the other two inputs for? Can all three be used to set the target, duration and delay values individually?

And if so - can I send for example:
msg[ 1, 0 ] to target, msg[ 20, 100 ] to duration and msg[ 0, 400 ] to delay inputs of vline~, instead of using:
msg[ 1 20 0, 0 100 400 ] on the first input?

This would help me alot for the simple ASR envelope I'm working on. Otherwise I suppose I can go through set & trigger hell and maybe figure out a good way to get the variables into the (list, list) format but I'm worried about lagging something up.

Thanks!
-Matt

There's a pre-delay value that offsets the start of a ramp. Can't remember if it's the second or third inlet. It works once and then you need to set it again. It can also be sent as part of the message to
inlet 1, eg [1 400 20( ramps to 1 in 400ms after a 20ms delay.

Thanks for the reply obi, also thanks for your great tutorials. It sounds like a basic vline~ can only be initialized with a list to first inlet, but at least this will be easier to do than I realized - I'm just going to use triggers to send a sequence of lists to vline instead of trying to use a comma and a single msg... I hope the obvious things will start sinking in faster as I get more experienced.

Thank you obiwannabe, it helped me alot!