Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:49:45 GMT

berry — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:49:45 GMT

HI Everyone,

I’m one of the developers of n-Track Studio, a cross-platform Digital Audio Workstation available for Mac, Windows, iOs and Android (www.ntrack.com).

The new beta version of n-Track Studio 8 now include a new VST3 to allow to load and use Pure Data patches inside the workstation.
The VST3 is based on libpd and it's included in both Mac and Windows version.

If you want to test it and I have prepared a temporarily FAQ page to help user to create compatible pd patch and test them in n-Track Studio:
http://en.ntrack.com/faq.php?category=13&showAll=1

I hope you’ll enjoy our project to make a new tool for the Pure Data community and every feedback could be useful!

Marco

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Sat, 28 Nov 2015 00:19:39 GMT

random_pulse — Sat, 28 Nov 2015 00:19:39 GMT

Will you also make a version for other hosts available?

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:28:10 GMT

berry — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:28:10 GMT

HI random_pulse,
currently the plugin is provided only with n-Track 8 DAW because it has been developed with the n-Track graphics API and it takes advantage of n-Track Bridge feature that allows to have multiple instances on the plugin.
It is also one of the main new feature of n-Track 8 that will be officially release in few weeks so at the moment we would want this to remain a feature of our host.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Tue, 01 Dec 2015 22:21:03 GMT

audiolemon — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 22:21:03 GMT

Nice... great to see PD getting supported.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Thu, 03 Dec 2015 00:46:39 GMT

random_pulse — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 00:46:39 GMT

So that's why I couldn't open it with another DAW.

Would it be technically even achievable to run multiple instances of a Pd-VSTwithout specific support of the Host-DAW?

It would be pretty amazing to get Pd running in ones DAW of choice.

But of course i get your point.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:08:40 GMT

berry — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:08:40 GMT

@random_pulse said:

Would it be technically even achievable to run multiple instances of a Pd-VSTwithout specific support of the Host-DAW?

The VST is based on libpd library that suffers the existence of several global variables that not allow to create multiple instance of libpd in the same process.

In n-Track Studio we take advantage of n-Track Bridge functionality that allow to instantiate any plugin in a different process.

So, at the moment, to run multiple instances of any VST plugin based on libpd, it's necessary to have the support of the host-daw.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Sat, 05 Dec 2015 17:05:40 GMT

elden — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 17:05:40 GMT

I hoped somebody would realize the potential of pd patches as VSTs. Actually I think it was the dream of most pd users. There have been some vst wrappers out there to load pd for different hosts, but the main problem was the limited number of available parameter sliders within them and the unsupported MIDI output of the wrappers to send MIDI to other VSTs. If you would really feature this all using your special bridge technology, that's a leap into the right direction, I'm convinced.
Sadly I see no reason to buy N-Track Studio for now, as it is not a modular DAW, as far as I found out.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Sat, 05 Dec 2015 17:45:17 GMT

berry — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 17:45:17 GMT

Elden,
the first release of Vst will support all pd Vanilla objects but, a the moment, about GUI objects we support only the main objects as slider, radio, toggles and buttons.
However, after the first release that will be available in the new n-Track Studio 8 in few days, we will certainly continue the development to support all features and all pd functionality.
Although now we are working to completely support Pure Data in n-Track Studio, we don't exclude to modify Vst to distribute it separately.

About your last comment, what do you mean for modular DAW?

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Sun, 06 Dec 2015 08:10:19 GMT

elden — Sun, 06 Dec 2015 08:10:19 GMT

Well, to distribute it separately would certainly open a new branch on the market. l would prefer to be able to buy it without the need of buying n track studio, too. As a modular DAW l would describe buzz or energy_xt for instants.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:19:23 GMT

mviljamaa — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:19:23 GMT

We're also using libpd and noticing that you got past the "single instance" problem of libpd and Pure Data, I was thinking, could some of you be interested in sharing a bit of information about how you did it? Whether it's n-Track Bridge or whatever. We're developing a VST plug-in based on libpd and the "single instance" is currently a huge constrain to our project and we cannot rely on "DAW features" such as n-Track bridge, because we're trying to target multiple hosts.

Reply to Pure Data VST3 in n-Track Studio Beta 8 based on libpd on Tue, 08 Mar 2016 18:31:17 GMT

Pierre Guillot — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 18:31:17 GMT

@mviljamaa :
I managed to solve the problem in my VST :
https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile
I still have to perform some tests et to receive feedbacks from testers because I can't test with all the DAW but it seems to work pretty well for my purposes.