<![CDATA[Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger)]]>Hey,

I 've been working on a patch that makes it possible to enjoy the endless possibilities offered by a phasor~ reading an array, but without the inherent limitation in terms of array size.
I will upload it if enough people are interested.

Also, I once came accross this thread (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/msg/c7055c32f0ab1992?hl=en&pli=1), which explains how flanging effect was created back in the sixties. Somebody wrote that one way of recreating it in DSP was to use delay lines, which were unable to create the same sounds due to their limited length. I thought it was challenging, so i built this patch with a phasor~ reading an entire song. Since i can now change the speed of the phasor in real time i can do what engineers would do with two tape decks in the old days.

Anyway, it's not complete yet, but hopefully it should be by tonight.

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flangerRSS for NodeTue, 14 Jul 2026 22:07:20 GMTSun, 22 Nov 2009 11:12:02 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:12:02 GMT]]>Hey,

I 've been working on a patch that makes it possible to enjoy the endless possibilities offered by a phasor~ reading an array, but without the inherent limitation in terms of array size.
I will upload it if enough people are interested.

Also, I once came accross this thread (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/msg/c7055c32f0ab1992?hl=en&pli=1), which explains how flanging effect was created back in the sixties. Somebody wrote that one way of recreating it in DSP was to use delay lines, which were unable to create the same sounds due to their limited length. I thought it was challenging, so i built this patch with a phasor~ reading an entire song. Since i can now change the speed of the phasor in real time i can do what engineers would do with two tape decks in the old days.

Anyway, it's not complete yet, but hopefully it should be by tonight.

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flangerhttp://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flangerSun, 22 Nov 2009 11:12:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:15:31 GMT]]>I think you can also get an equivalent zero-point effect by mixing two variable delay lines controlled by two out-of-phase LFOs (so one is speeding up while the other is slowing down, and vice versa) -- the only difference would be that the "tape speed" in this instance would be sometimes faster and sometimes slower than the original, rather than always equal or slower.

But digital flanging still sounds a lot more mechanical than tape flanging, so my personal preference for maximum psychedelicization is to use some combination of flanging and phasing to make it sound more organic.

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/2http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/2Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:15:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:51:14 GMT]]>Playing long files with a phasor~, sure 'im interested :)

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/3http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/3Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:51:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:56:44 GMT]]>So this is it? Domien is the only one interested?

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/4http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/4Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:56:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:51:36 GMT]]>Do I have to impersonate some other folks around here to get it anyway :)

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/5http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/5Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:51:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:18:05 GMT]]>Maybe... Let's see how many of them you can be...

No seriously, i honestly thought more people would be interested. I think i read somewhere that overcoming the limited size of arrays was an interesting problem to solve.
Anyway, i ll post it sometime soon (like today or tomorrow), i need to fix the last few bugs and maybe write little comments here and there to make it easier to expand. It is limited to slightly less than 3 minutes at 44.1 kHz for now.

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/6http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/6Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:18:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:13:21 GMT]]>Ok, i don't believe i ll get a chance to send this soon if i don't do it now, so here it is. I ve but some basic explanations on how to use it in a long comment. Keep in mind that the file you load has to be .wav at 44.1, and that only the first 3 minutes will be loaded (the length can be stretched by adding some new arrays). The main patch is called load file.pd. The rest isn't interesting per se.
Let me know what you think of it!

http://www.pdpatchrepo.info/hurleur/Long_file_Flanger.zip

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/7http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/7Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:13:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:19:29 GMT]]>How long are we talking here? I've only really loaded short files before but this could be nice to allow beatmatching of longer stuff.

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/8http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/8Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:19:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:31:33 GMT]]>About 3 minutes (175 seconds, give or take 2 or 3, i don't remember), but it can be extended to any length provided that modify the patch accordingly (basically add some more arrays).

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/9http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/9Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:31:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Use phasor~ with long audio files (+ real old-style flanger) on Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:18:09 GMT]]>@ Domien : So, what do you think? Have you tried it yet?

]]>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/10http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/3309/use-phasor-with-long-audio-files-real-old-style-flanger/10Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:18:09 GMT