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<a href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-riverbirds.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-riverbirds.mp3</a><br />
<a href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-seabirds.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-seabirds.mp3</a></p>
<p>Background reading and inspiration</p>
<p><a href="http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~tamara/publications/" rel="nofollow">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~tamara/publications/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/research/avesound/pubs/akusem04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/research/avesound/pubs/akusem04.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.csounds.com/ezine/winter2000/realtime/" rel="nofollow">http://www.csounds.com/ezine/winter2000/realtime/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/tutorials/html/tutorial_birds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/tutorials/html/tutorial_birds.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.indiana.edu/~songbird/pubs/publications_index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.indiana.edu/~songbird/pubs/publications_index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://web.mit.edu/fee/Public/Publications/Fee_etal1998.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/fee/Public/Publications/Fee_etal1998.pdf</a></p>
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<a href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-riverbirds.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-riverbirds.mp3</a><br />
<a href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-seabirds.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/effect-seabirds.mp3</a></p>
<p>Background reading and inspiration</p>
<p><a href="http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~tamara/publications/" rel="nofollow">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~tamara/publications/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/research/avesound/pubs/akusem04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/research/avesound/pubs/akusem04.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.csounds.com/ezine/winter2000/realtime/" rel="nofollow">http://www.csounds.com/ezine/winter2000/realtime/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/tutorials/html/tutorial_birds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/tutorials/html/tutorial_birds.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.indiana.edu/~songbird/pubs/publications_index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.indiana.edu/~songbird/pubs/publications_index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://web.mit.edu/fee/Public/Publications/Fee_etal1998.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/fee/Public/Publications/Fee_etal1998.pdf</a></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[obiwannabe]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:40:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Some new bird sounds on Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:56:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Tweetypie <img class="emoji emoji-extended" src="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji-extended/images/grinning.png" title=":)" alt=":)" /></p>
<p>Btw, that's a clever system for saving/loading presets in your bird machines.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/2</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/2</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[domien]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:56:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Some new bird sounds on Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:49:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ma hand me the gun</p>
<p>THem darn seagulls are back</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/3</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/3</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[boonier]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:49:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Some new bird sounds on Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:25:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I don't know enough about birds to tell anything sensible about them <img class="emoji emoji-extended" src="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji-extended/images/wink.png" title=";)" alt=";)" /> But the seabirds and their rainforest nephews sound almost convincing to me. Riverbirds sounds - in it's own nice way - rather synthetic.</p>
<p>I was really wondering how you bring the randomnes generation factor in it, or is everything sequenced one way or another?</p>
<p>Edit : i'm looking into your birdbox2 patch and i'm wondering how the tweetivity actually works (the initial bit with the noise lowpassed and multiplied...)?</p>
<p>Thx,</p>
<p>Domien</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/4</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/4</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[domien]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:25:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Some new bird sounds on Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:59:06 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Dom,</p>
<p>The birds in the audio examples are randomly generated, then tweaked and fixed if that makes sense. So I generate a bunch of parameters and listen. If it sounds good I store it away and do some more. When I have a load that are interesting I go back to them and carefully tweak. That quickly homes in a set of parameters that work well for certain species. There are certain &quot;areas&quot; in the parameter space, sweet spots that sound just like real species, so I know the algorithm is good. Then I listen to the real recordings and tweak a little more to bring them as close to the natural sound as possible.</p>
<p>The algorithm is much too sensitive to add real-time randomness , except in the articulation, which is randomly concatenated curves analysed from real bird calls - mostly squares, cubes and exponentials in various patterns. All birds seem to use these common gestures, only the order and pattern changes. Those audio examples are a lot more sophisticated than the birdbox patches on the site because each paremeter has its own trajectory, and there is some functional relations hard wired in between them.</p>
<p>&gt; Edit : i'm looking into your birdbox2 patch and i'm wondering how the tweetivity<br />
&gt; actually works (the initial bit with the noise lowpassed and multiplied...)?</p>
<p>Yeah , let's see...</p>
<p>hmm, tweetivity is a random curve generator like the last stage I was just describing. It modulates _every_ parameter by a a certain scale and offset. Starting at the bottom with [lop~ 2] , that's just there to slug the phasor when it goes to zero to avoid nasty clicks. The input to the phasor can be negative or positive in the range of about -4 to +4 so it scans up or down (a negative frequency gives a reversed phasor ramp). That frequency curve is achieved from a sinusoidal oscillator moving very slowly plus a DC offset to set the current base frequency. The signal feeding it is a slowly moving random with a period of about 5 seconds, [abs~] rectifies it to make it unipolar and it's scaled by the &quot;tweetivity&quot; factor to make it more or less lively. Articulation controls the beak filter which opens up or closes to attenuate the vocal source.</p>
<p>It's not very sophisticated, I needed something to randomise the parameters and it sounded quite good. All the real juice is in the [pd tweetypie] sub. That's a modification of Hans Mikelsons FM patch but adding a modulation of the two sources first. I noticed in the spectrographs that many birds have a difference trajectory without the sum, which indicates some kind of ring modulation going on.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/5</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/5</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[obiwannabe]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:59:06 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Some new bird sounds on Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:16:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>thanks for the in-depth explanation, although i must admit i'm not completely following what your saying/doing. Apparently - and that's new to me - you're using audio objects to create control signals, because the bird brain influences every other parameter in the system. Am i correct if i say that the bird-brain is and advanced pseudo-random envelope generator (used for filtering, manipulating the syrinx, the throat,...)?</p>
<p>Is there a reason why you're doing all those calculations with audio objects and not with control level objects?</p>
<p>D.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/6</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1455/some-new-bird-sounds/6</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[domien]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:16:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Some new bird sounds on Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:49:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Am i correct if i say that the bird-brain is and advanced pseudo-random<br />
&gt; envelope generator (used for filtering, manipulating the syrinx, the throat,...)?</p>
<p>Exactly. That's exactly what it is, nothing but a slow signal generator, but one that has a specific structure rather than just noise.</p>
<p>&gt; Is there a reason why you're doing all those calculations with audio<br />
&gt; objects and not with control level objects?</p>
<p>Smoothness probably. It would look very similar done in the message domain.</p>
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