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]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:21:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:54:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> Looks like Mandelbrot to me....... <a href="/uploads/files/1500313671717-mandelbrot.zip">mandelbrot.zip</a><br />
But no, I forgot all that 40 years ago.<br />
Apparently - &quot;The recursive equation behind this fractal is z&lt;sub&gt;n+1&lt;/sub&gt; = z&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt; + c, where both variables are complex  numbers.&quot;</p>
<p>David.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/2</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/2</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[whale-av]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:54:22 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:48:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> Hi, we came up with this a while ago in this thread:<br />
<a href="https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10798/setting-expr-formula-dynamically" rel="nofollow">https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10798/setting-expr-formula-dynamically</a></p>
<p>Maybe it would be useful for what you are trying to do also. Here is a patch that I think does what you described. One note: inside the patch the states of the iterations are saved to a globally accessible table (10 values), but it doesn't work because if you address it at index 0, it doesn't always give you the last state. It would be excellent if the indexes 0 1 2 ecc.. would always return the last state, second to last, third to last ecc..but I don't know how to do it.</p>
<p><a href="/uploads/files/1500313726295-fractals.iterations.zip">fractals.iterations.zip</a></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/3</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/3</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weightless]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:48:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:51:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/whale-av">@whale-av</a> thanks for the patch. yes thats mandelbrot. <a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/weightless">@weightless</a> thanks for the link and the hints. i will have a look.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/4</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/4</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:51:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:01:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> If you are interested for your Midi Sequencer, there was a whole batch of fractal work done by Ben Bogart and Michael McGonagle in 2003....... that is now lost in the black hole of extended...<br />
Pd/extra/chaos......<br />
David.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/5</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/5</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[whale-av]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:01:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:34:10 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/whale-av">@whale-av</a> that is the idea. perhaps i should install extended or just copy the chaos folder into pd vanilla to explore those patches.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/6</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/6</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:34:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:45:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/whale-av">@whale-av</a> <a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> I've found a library called &quot;chaos&quot; in Deken, and the objects seem to be those listed here <a href="https://github.com/pd-l2ork/pd/tree/master/externals/bbogart/chaos" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/pd-l2ork/pd/tree/master/externals/bbogart/chaos</a></p>
<p>Are these the same objects that were in extended?</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/7</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/7</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weightless]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:45:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:48:29 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/weightless">@weightless</a> very nice, that seems to be the library that <a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/whale-av">@whale-av</a> mentioned.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/8</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/8</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:48:29 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:17:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>i think this patch could output the 5th mandelbrot iteration? each expr object should add one iteration. <img src="/uploads/files/1500329667766-mandelbrot.jpg" alt="mandelbrot.JPG" class="img-responsive img-markdown" /> <a href="/uploads/files/1500329693796-mandelbrot.pd">mandelbrot.pd</a></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/9</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/9</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:17:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:53:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>i don't understand why the iterations are 'hardcoded'. wouldn't it be simpler to just send the output of the expr to its input (via [float] and bang (and maybe [until]) and shouldn't the numbers be complex ones? that would be something like next_zr=(zr * zr) - (zi * zi) + cr and next_zi=2 * zr * zi + ci for the typical mandelbrot set series. (afair...)</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/10</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/10</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[mnb]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:53:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:56:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/mnb">@mnb</a> thanks for the hints. you are right, the iterations should work like that: <img src="/uploads/files/1500497629270-mandelbrot3.jpg" alt="mandelbrot3.JPG" class="img-responsive img-markdown" /><br />
and i am also sure you are right with the complex numbers as well. i read somewhere that i have to use the x y values of a circle as the input for the expression to create mandelbrot figures, but it didnt work out so far <img class="emoji emoji-extended" src="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji-extended/images/wink.png" title=";)" alt=";)" /> i just start to understand the fractal and the expr thing.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/11</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/11</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:56:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:55:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>i have some interesting results with the chaos library. this one is from the lorenz object. still i like to understand how to make expressions like that.<br />
<div class="embed-container"><iframe src="//www.youtube.com/embed/hjVcQ2BHqhQ" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/12</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/12</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:55:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:40:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> Did you see this thread? There are some interesting patches in there.</p>
<p><a href="https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/4646/complex-differential-equations-calculated-by-pd/25" rel="nofollow">https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/4646/complex-differential-equations-calculated-by-pd/25</a></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/13</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/13</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weightless]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:40:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:09:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/weightless">@weightless</a> thanks, very interesting thread. i tried the manit patch, this is a result: <img src="/uploads/files/1500667289719-fr.jpg" alt="fr.JPG" class="img-responsive img-markdown" /> but its not easy to find nice variations. in this regard the lissajous formala is very thankful. there is an interesting remark from <a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/katjav">@katjav</a>: &quot;I found it impossible to find an interesting fractal 'by hand' though. Everytime when a pattern sounds interesting, it's flying to the stars and reset, being not part of the Mandelbrot set. The logistic map function is much easier to handle, like Elaine mentioned in her thesis.&quot; i have to admit perhaps my idea to create easily musical patterns from fractals was a little bit naive, but who knows.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/14</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/14</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:09:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:29:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> I tried to implement the manit patch into your sequencer too but couldn't get it to show anything! Would you mind sharing the patch?</p>
<p>Perhaps there are other, more varying formulas that lend themselves better to musical explorations in this fashion. In Elaine's paper it is discussed how to use complex chaotic functions, so perhaps the manit patch could be adapted for other formulas?</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/15</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/15</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weightless]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:29:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:23:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/weightless">@weightless</a> here is the patch: <a href="/uploads/files/1500672215599-manit-seq.zip">manit-seq.zip</a></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/16</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/16</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:23:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:48:19 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> Thanks a lot! I will have a look and maybe learn something from how you plot the values with the data structure.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/17</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/17</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[weightless]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:48:19 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:28:43 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/weightless">@weightless</a> this is the part of the patch that plots the values. it chooses the $0-draw element of the $0-array array and then sets the x and y value. each step bangs every existing element. c is the color of the element.<img src="/uploads/files/1500670818997-plot.jpg" alt="plot.JPG" class="img-responsive img-markdown" /> if you have a question about the plotting i will try to answer.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/18</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/18</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:28:43 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:45:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>and i'm not exactly sure if the 'classic mandelbrot-set series' yields any musically interesting results, but<br />
i am quite sure that it only produces usable results for carefully chosen values of c (on the border of the mandelbrot set where it neither converges nor diverges, at least not so quick...).</p>
<p>maybe simple real-valued recursive functions are more fun. the idea is to blow up a value (multiplying, adding constants, whatever), then wrap it to a range, and feed it to the next iteration. like the classic gingerbreadman, hopalong etc. fractals. linke in the attached example. <a href="/uploads/files/1500817473439-fractalmelody.pd">fractalmelody.pd</a></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/19</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/19</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[mnb]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:45:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Sun, 23 Jul 2017 16:07:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/mnb">@mnb</a> thanks, nice patch. that sounds very interesting. i will have to learn about that.</p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/20</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/20</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2017 16:07:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:34:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/mnb">@mnb</a> the recursion trick with the sine function is nice. i tried to create a longer slow development with your formula (its quite repetetive in the beginning): <div class="embed-container"><iframe src="//www.youtube.com/embed/uiAsyQ6UQxs" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/21</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/21</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jona]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:34:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:39:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/jona">@Jona</a> The dream-seq is now also working:</p>
<p><a href="/uploads/files/1500971725798-dream-seq.pd">dream-seq.pd</a> (updated)</p>
<p>The formula is the &quot;Kings Dream&quot; fractal taken from <a href="http://softology.com.au/tutorials/attractors2d/tutorial.htm" rel="nofollow">http://softology.com.au/tutorials/attractors2d/tutorial.htm</a>. There are some more interesting formulas on that page.</p>
<p>Some parameters give decent results. For some parameter combinations it is better to turn motion off so it would not converge against a less interesting figure.</p>
<p><em>Update:</em><br />
Now there is a toggle &quot;symmetry&quot;. When it is checked the parameters on the left will also set the parameters on the right. The right ones are still free. Also changed the plot to bezier curve. It doesn't plot through the nodes, but is still nice. <img class="emoji emoji-extended" src="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji-extended/images/grinning.png" title=":)" alt=":)" /></p>
]]></description><link>http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/22</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10888/fractals-with-expr/22</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ingox]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:39:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to fractals with expr? on Mon, 24 Jul 2017 02:47:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a class="plugin-mentions-a" href="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/user/ingox">@ingox</a> very nice. more possibilities than i thought <img class="emoji emoji-extended" src="http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji-extended/images/grinning.png" title=":)" alt=":)" /></p>
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