@rph-r Ok, I will not tell you to use an abstraction.

A sub-patch is simply a window within a patch, and it takes its arguments from the patch that it is in.
So if you create [mypatch 1 2 3 4] then inside the patch, and also inside the sub-patch, $1 $2 $3 and $4 will be assigned the values 1 2 3 and 4 as the patch is opened.
If you need to put objects that are identical, but behave differently depending on arguments, within sub-patches then you need to give the main patch arguments.
A sub-patch cannot have its own arguments as it is actually an integral part of the main patch.

To achieve what you wish (I think I have understood) you will simply need to put your main patch within another patch (a container) and give your main patch the arguments.
If you then need to see and use guis that are in your main patch when you open the "container" patch then you can use the "graph on parent" from your main patch properties pop-up to show them in the container patch.
Or you can just open your main patch after opening the container patch.

But abstractions definitely make life easier, especially if you want to modify the current sub-patches for any reason.
David.

I can't tell if this is a QLab 5.4.4 or a plugdata 1.9.0 issue. I create an audio cue in QLab, and then add plugdata to its audio FX. In the FX edit window, I load a patch into plugdata and a yellow circle appears to the left of the audio cue, indicating that the cue is loaded and ready to be triggered. If I run the cue at this point, I hear my patch altering the audio of that cue. But if I ever hit esc or stop the cue, plugdata forgets which patch was loaded and reverts to its opening state (no patch loaded). I've gotten it to remember the patch and save to the QLab file exactly once, but I didn't notice what I had done differently. I tried editing and saving the patch, but there was no change.

Previously, in QLab 5.4.1, I had issues getting plugdata to use the most recent version of my patch. It kept reverting to an older version that it had cached. Both issues are consistent with the hypothesis that the plugdata AU is not persisting the patch when QLab thinks it should. I've not had this issue with other AUs, but I don't use AUs that much.

Never had this issue with the plugdata VST3. I don't see any mentions of QLab on plugdata's github, nor any mentions of plugdata in the QLab Google group.

Does anyone know how to coax the plugdata AU to remember the current patch?

Update: I just confirmed similar behavior in Audacity 3.3.3. Effect->Add Realtime Effects->Add effect->AudioUnit->plugdata-fx. Load a patch in the FX edit window, and then play. Everything's as expected. But if you close the FX edit window, then as soon as you stop playback, plugdata forgets the patch. MacOS 14.5

@cfry Sure, make a master patch which controls everything and send [open filename filepath( to a [s pd]. In each patch have a common receive the master patch sends a bang to when it wants the patch to close which causes the patch to send [menuclose( to its canvas through the usual methods (sendcanvas, namecanvas, pdcontrol, etc). You could also do it as a chain with no master patch, each patch opening the next and then closing itself at the appropriate times but that could be troublesome in some situations. WIthin limits opening and closing patches could work well but will get complex quickly compared to subpatches and [switch~].

Edit: actually sending {menuclose( will require you to use [namecanvas] in the patch and send [menuclose( to that canvas name from the master patch or the next opened patch in the case of chaining the open and close, other ways will cause pd to crash.

Hi, I'm trying to use pd-else with libpd on ios.

I'm makeing pd-else for PLATFORM=x86-64-apple-ios, copying over the output (objectsdir) to my bundle resources, building libpd with ADDITIONAL_LDFLAGS=-ldl, adding with the output to search path PdBase.add(toSearchPath: Bundle.main.resourcePath)

When I'm trying to open a patch which uses pd-else

Some attempts to find files are successful:

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771002+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.pd and succeeded
2024-04-16 21:14:27.771098+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.pd and succeeded

But most fails

2024-04-16 21:14:27.751266+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.751597+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.751739+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.751876+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.752090+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.752374+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.752664+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.752902+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.753208+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.753470+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.770480+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.770636+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.770790+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.770900+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~/out~.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771002+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.pd and succeeded

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771098+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/out~.pd and succeeded

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771192+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771485+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771726+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.771987+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.772286+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.772645+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.773142+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.773783+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.774359+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.774935+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.775535+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.776348+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.776992+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.777360+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.777810+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pd and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.778584+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.779417+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/else/lb.pd and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.780202+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.781051+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.781778+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.782005+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.782436+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.782651+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.788387+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.788947+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.789356+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.789586+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.789874+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.790175+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.790421+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.790769+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.791501+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pd and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.792396+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.793014+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/else/lb.pd and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.793494+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.795343+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.795655+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-fat-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.796345+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.darwin-fat-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.797063+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.d_amd64 and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.797921+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.d_fat and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.798883+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb.pd_darwin and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.802219+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-amd64-32.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.802831+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(4): tried /Users/anvlkv/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/19822801-5565-453D-802D-5533CB03027B/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/B61B55C5-FEE9-4A99-964E-D45932D58CE1/YoganOme.app/else/else/lb/lb.darwin-amd64-0.so and failed

2024-04-16 21:14:27.803686+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: verbose(0): else/lb

2024-04-16 21:14:27.804195+0300 YoganOme[72363:460962] Pd: error: ... couldn't create

And indeed there're no such files in the output, there're some with _darwin but not with specific architecture. Also there's no else/else subdirectory

Could anyone give a hint?

@Muology You can get more info on dynamic patching here........ https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/10813/collection-of-pd-internal-messages-dynamic-patching/4 and in that thread.
To replace just one object in an abstraction is complicated.... you have to find it and cut it..... using [find( [findagain( and [cut( messages........ then put your new object...... and then connect it.
To connect it you need to know it's object number (it's place in the order of creation of objects in the patch... starting at 0) .... and the object numbers of the objects you want to connect it to.

That is not really worth the bother.
As @oid says.... it is easier to clear the contents and use a message to replace everything you can do that in any canvas)..... but...
It is easier still to replace the abstraction with another..... but then you still have to reconnect it within your master patch...... so...
Replace the whole abstraction.... and use [send] [send~] etc. rather than [outlet] [outlet~] etc. so that you don't have to reconnect.

You don't need to use [namecanvas].... you can send messages to patches and sub-patches and arrays by their current name. $0 is an automatically assigned value greater than 1000 assigned to every canvas as it is opened (created). You can get its value by.......
[loadbang]
|
[$0]
|
[numberbox]
...... as it could well change when you reopen the patch (if for example you have opened another patch first).
So it can be used but it is better to actually give fixed arguments to your abstractions using $1 $2 etc using a counter as you create them.

My opening post here....... https://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/9774/pure-data-noob contains a dynamic patch builder....... build_voices.pd .... which will help you to see how it can be done...... although I didn't show how to remove the objects you will be able to calculate their object numbers and cut them.
Further down that thread I attempted to thoroughly explain $0 $1 $2 etc...... "show me dollars".

For your particular purpose...... this.zip
A simple example, that you can build on once you learn a bit more.
Happy dynamic patching....

David.

@whale-av @ben.wes @ddw_music
I am learning about dynamic patching. The documentation describes instance specific dynamic patching as being able to send messages to a specific instance of an abstraction, by renaming the abstraction using namecanvas. The renaming can be automated using $0 expansion.

I am not familiar with where to locate namecanvas and how to use it and I am not familiar with how to use $0 expansion. Can someone please show a complete visual example of how to use instance specific dynamic patching using the exact instructions given in the documentation link?
https://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#instance-specific-dynamic-patching

And can someone show a visual example of how to use dynamic patching to dynamically create instances of an object in an abstraction? For example, if I create a patch with a sine oscillator that can be assigned a frequency, an amplitude, and has a dac object and then make that patch an abstraction how would I be able to use dynamic patching to allow my gui to let me assign a new sound source in place of the sine oscillator? Objects like the switch object have limitations. I would want to be able to assign/unassign any number of new sounds sources in place of the sine oscillator. For example a phasor object, a noise object, or even synthesizer patch abstraction. Suggestions for other ways to do this are good and I also want to be sure to have explanations for using dynamic patching since that is what I am learning. How could this be done using dynamic patching?

General Dynamic Patching
What is the difference between pd messages and patch messages? Are they both used for dynamic patching? And how are they different from instance specific dynamic patching?
https://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#pd-messages
https://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#patch-messages

@4poksy 64 samples cannot be modified for links between patches and sub-patches.... [inlet~] etc. ...nor for final input and output.... [dac~] etc.
It can be modified within a patch or sub patch using [block~].

Patches are very small on disk and in memory..... your os will tell you the size.... they just contain text.
The biggest patch (hundreds of patches running together) that I have ever built uses less than 100K on disk. The objects you call are loaded to and run within the Pd binary as you open the patch.
Pd itself uses about 8.5K of ram with no patches open, and the gui program "wish" just over 15K (in windows 7).
When that massive 100K patch is running Pd expands to use 76K of ram and wish reduces its space to use 12K.
Arrays are the size you choose, and can be large if you are storing audio..

Pd can (sort of) report its cpu load....... dsp~.zip

For more on what actually happens "under the hood"..... http://puredata.info/docs/manuals/pd/x2.htm
.... but that document is also in your Pd installation in the "doc" folder........ /doc/1.manual/x2.htm

Pd builds a "super-patch" from all the patches you open, and the audio thread is rebuilt as you change or add objects and patches. That means that it is always running, but there is no buffer between patches unless you make a mistake..... see the doc above...
You can also use [block~] or [switch~] to turn off audio processing within individual patches and sub-patches...... useful for saving cpu load when switching between effects.

Welcome to the forum...!!
David.

P.S I am usually wrong about something and others will tell you where.

Hi,

I am trying to get ofelia to run on a couple of rpi. Right now I am trying a rpi 3B+ running https://blokas.io/patchbox-os/

I run ofeila with the ofelia-fast-prototyping abs on my mac successfully.

Following install instructions here https://github.com/cuinjune/Ofelia
after running
sudo ./install_dependencies.sh
it ends like this:

detected Raspberry Pi
installing gstreamer omx
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
gstreamer1.0-omx is already the newest version (1.0.0.1-0+rpi12+jessiepmg).
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  raspinfo
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Updating ofxOpenCV to use openCV4
sed: can't read /home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/addons/ofxOpenCv/addon_config.mk: No such file or directory
sed: can't read /home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/addons/ofxOpenCv/addon_config.mk: No such file or directory

When running the example patches in Pd I get this in PD console:

opened alsa MIDI client 130 in:1 out:1
JACK: cannot connect input ports system:midi_capture_1 -> pure_data:input_2
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia d $0-of
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia d $0-of
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia d $0-of
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia d $0-of
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia d $0-of
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia f ;
 ofBackground(20) ;
 ofSetSmoothLighting(true) ;
 ofSetSphereResolution(24) ;
 local width , height = ofGetWidth() * 0.12 , ofGetHeight() * 0.12 ;
 sphere = ofSpherePrimitive() ;
 sphere:setRadius(width) ;
 icoSphere = ofIcoSpherePrimitive() ;
 icoSphere:setRadius(width) ;
 plane = ofPlanePrimitive() ;
 plane:set(width * 1.5 , height * 1.5) ;
 cylinder = ofCylinderPrimitive() ;
 cylinder:set(width * 0.7 , height * 2.2) ;
 cone = ofConePrimitive() ;
 cone:set(width * 0.75 , height * 2.2) ;
 box = ofBoxPrimitive() ;
 box:set(width * 1.25) ;
 local screenWidth , screenHeight = ofGetWidth() , ofGetHeight() ;
 plane:setPosition(screenWidth * 0.2 , screenHeight * 0.25 , 0) ;
 box:setPosition(screenWidth * 0.5 , screenHeight * 0.25 , 0) ;
 sphere:setPosition(screenWidth * 0.8 , screenHeight * 0.25 , 0) ;
 icoSphere:setPosition(screenWidth * 0.2 , screenHeight * 0.75 , 0) ;
 cylinder:setPosition(screenWidth * 0.5 , screenHeight * 0.75 , 0) ;
 cone:setPosition(screenWidth * 0.8 , screenHeight * 0.75 , 0) ;
 pointLight = ofLight() ;
 pointLight:setPointLight() ;
 pointLight:setDiffuseColor(ofFloatColor(0.85 , 0.85 , 0.55)) ;
 pointLight:setSpecularColor(ofFloatColor(1 , 1 , 1)) ;
 pointLight2 = ofLight() ;
 pointLight2:setPointLight() ;
 pointLight2:setDiffuseColor(ofFloatColor(238 / 255 , 57 / 255 , 135 / 255)) ;
 pointLight2:setSpecularColor(ofFloatColor(0.8 , 0.8 , 0.9)) ;
 pointLight3 = ofLight() ;
 pointLight3:setPointLight() ;
 pointLight3:setDiffuseColor(ofFloatColor(19 / 255 , 94 / 255 , 77 / 255)) ;
 pointLight3:setSpecularColor(ofFloatColor(18 / 255 , 150 / 255 , 135 / 255)) ;
 material = ofMaterial() ;
 material:setShininess(120) ;
 material:setSpecularColor(ofFloatColor(1 , 1 , 1)) ;
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia f ;
 pointLight = nil ;
 pointLight2 = nil ;
 pointLight3 = nil ;
 collectgarbage() ;
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia f ;
 local width , height , time = ofGetWidth() , ofGetHeight() , ofGetElapsedTimef() ;
 pointLight:setPosition((width * 0.5) + math.cos(time * 0.5) * (width * 0.3) , height / 2 , 500) ;
 pointLight2:setPosition((width * 0.5) + math.cos(time * 0.15) * (width * 0.3) , height * 0.5 + math.sin(time * 0.7) * height , -300) ;
 pointLight3:setPosition(math.cos(time * 1.5) * width * 0.5 , math.sin(time * 1.5) * width * 0.5 , math.cos(time * 0.2) * width) ;
... couldn't create
/home/patch/Documents/Pd/externals/ofelia/ofelia.l_arm: libboost_filesystem.so.1.67.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 ofelia f ;
 local spinX = math.sin(ofGetElapsedTimef() * 0.35) ;
 local spinY = math.cos(ofGetElapsedTimef() * 0.075) ;
 ofEnableDepthTest() ;
 ofEnableLighting() ;
 pointLight:enable() ;
 pointLight2:enable() ;
 pointLight3:enable() ;
 material:beginMaterial() ;
 plane:rotateDeg(spinX , 1 , 0 , 0) ;
 plane:rotateDeg(spinY , 0 , 1 , 0) ;
 plane:draw() ;
 box:rotateDeg(spinX , 1 , 0 , 0) ;
 box:rotateDeg(spinY , 0 , 1 , 0) ;
 box:draw() ;
 sphere:rotateDeg(spinX , 1 , 0 , 0) ;
 sphere:rotateDeg(spinY , 0 , 1 , 0) ;
 sphere:draw() ;
 icoSphere:rotateDeg(spinX , 1 , 0 , 0) ;
 icoSphere:rotateDeg(spinY , 0 , 1 , 0) ;
 icoSphere:draw() ;
 cylinder:rotateDeg(spinX , 1 , 0 , 0) ;
 cylinder:rotateDeg(spinY , 0 , 1 , 0) ;
 cylinder:draw() ;
 cone:rotateDeg(spinX , 1 , 0 , 0) ;
 cone:rotateDeg(spinY , 0 , 1 , 0) ;
 cone:draw() ;
 material:endMaterial() ;
 ofDisableLighting() ;
 ofDisableDepthTest() ;
... couldn't create

Thankful for help!

Hi all!

I had some time during vacations and I wanted to try running Miller's espd version. Here's a small tutorial.

The development board I bought: ESP32-LyraT > Mouser | Aliexpress

INSTALL ESP-IDF (IoT development framework)

mkdir ~/esp && cd ~/esp
git clone -b v4.4.2 --recursive https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf.git
cd esp-idf
./install.sh esp32

INSTALL ESP-ADF (audio development kit)

cd ~/esp && git clone --recursive https://github.com/espressif/esp-adf.git

SETUP ENV VAR

export ADF_PATH=~/esp/esp-adf && . ~/esp/esp-idf/export.sh

ESPD

download espd: http://msp.ucsd.edu/ideas/espd/

cd espd
git clone https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data.git pd
cd pd
git checkout 05bf346fa32510fd191fe77de24b3ea1c481f5ff
git apply ../patches/*.patch

Edit main/espd.h put your wifi credentials and the IP of the computer that will control espd:
#define CONFIG_ESP_WIFI_SSID "..."
#define CONFIG_ESP_WIFI_PASSWORD "..."
#define CONFIG_ESP_WIFI_SENDADDR "...."

mv sdkconfig.lyrat sdkconfig

idf.py build
idf.py -p /dev/ttyUSB0 flash (hold boot and then press reset on lyrat)
idf.py -p /dev/ttyUSB0 monitor (Ctrl+] to exit)

HOST

• open pd installed on (SENDADDR)
• open test-patch/host-patch.pd

If connected this message (ESPD: sendtcp: waiting for socket) will stop and you will see the mac address in the host patch.

1- click on [send pf begin-new poodle .<
2- click on [line 0, auto< to send the defined patch (esp-patch.pd)
3 - click [send pd end-new<

4 - connect headphone, play with [send f 440< and [send f 660<

Custom patch:

• Use mono [dac~ 1] only
• Add this to your patch:
  
• in host-patch.pd change [read your-patch< -> [text define patch] redo step 1 to 3
  

TODO

Would love to play more with the code, right now I am not able to load complex vanilla patch. Also using the AUX (or built-in microphone) would be awesome (but I'm wondering about the round-trip latency (would it be under 15ms)).

@dkeller Even working with some of the Jazz "greats".... or should that be "grates"?..... I have met almost none that can truly improvise. A huge learned repertoire of perfect riffs seems to inhibit their ability to really innovate.
This could perhaps be a great learning tool.

Pd looks in its standard directory (Pd/bin) and the externals folder (Pd/extra) and the patch folder as it opens a patch. You can add other paths to search in Pd preferences.
If you put an external or an abstraction (like [once]... abstraction because just a patch... not compiled) in the same folder as the patch it will work just with that patch.
If you put it in a sub-folder then in the patch you will have to tell Pd where to look..... so [subfolder/once] in your patch instead of [once]....... or declare the path in the patch by placing an object [declare -path subfolder] in the patch.
If you want to use it everywhere then dump it in the extra folder...... which means you can put it in every patch..... BUT..... when you share the patch you will need to remember to bundle it or the recipient will not be able to create the object.
David.